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K750i Camera not up to my expectations |
optiplex
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I bought my K750 a week ago, and I am not impressed by the camera picture quality. I am comparing my photos to the photos that are posted in this forum and other review sites, in comparison my photos are no way close to the quality of those photos. Most of the time I get lot of noise exactly like in the images posted under the first post of this tread :k750 camera issue = IMPORTANT = Pardon me for posting another thread similar to the previous one, even though I read till the end of that thread (all 4 pages) replies weren’t that helpful, no one exactly suggested a way to fix the problem.
When photos are shot outdoors with lot of sunlight, quality is better, however if there are dark areas even in outdoors (like under a tree etc..) I can still see grains (noise) in those areas. I have R1N035 firmware version and the phone is made in Malaysia (bought from Singapore). I have my doubts about the camera, are they putting in cheap parts in newly manufactured phones ?? Will upgrading or downgrading the firmware help?
I have tried various settings (night mode On / Off , Pic quality Fine / Normal etc)…. I can get decent looking photos but as I said they don’t look as good as some of the photos posted here, especially night shots. I bought this particular phone because of its camera, but I am not totally satisfied.
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optiplex
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Since now it is widely accepted that the best camera phone out there is the K750 / W800, at least in the $400 range (as opposed to N90), maybe SE is trying to save some money by putting in cheap parts in some of their batches (especially meant for the Asian market). And trying to get away with it  |
Bezzz
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As Numb already said, night pictures are never that good (see his explanation).
When it's evening it makes pics like that.
Post a picture made in the day's sunlight to see how "bad" the camera realy is. |
numb
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I very much doubt that S//E would cheat the entire Asian market by putting in a cheaper cameramodule for that region.
About the cameraquality, I'd just refer you to the other similar thread you mention and the replies there. There really is no reason to repeat everything from this thread here. And theres nothing new to say.
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optiplex
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I’ll upload some pics later (with low light conditions), I know that I cant expect the image quality of a standard digital camera with the this phone camera, and that is not what I am complaining here. What I am saying is that I cant take photos that look good as other K750 owners here. There are some pretty amazing looking photos especially under low light conditions posted in this forum (under “Post a picture (and video) taken with your K750i” thread), and my photos are no where near to those. Take a look at the photos in the review of K750 at mobile-reviews.com
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numb
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Low light pictures are only good if you take a picture of a very bright shining object like lights from a commercial on a store or fountain or something, this makes the camera adjust ISO level to a low level according to the light you focus on and make the surroundings black without noise. If you just take a picture in an overall low light environment and the object is not some light, then the ISO value adjust to a high level to compensate for the overall low light both in surroundings and object to let in as much light as possible, this gives noise in the dark areas, and pictures you would call poor. This is why there are flashes and photolight, when the flash/photolight hits the object it reflects to the cameralense and the camera adjust ISO level according to this, making the surroundings darker with less noise.
For instance, Try to take a picture in overall low light of an object at 1mtrs distance without the photolight on, it will be overall grey, poor and noisy, then turn on the photolight and point on the object and you will immediately see in the viewer how the grey surroundings turn dark and the object clear, and so will the picture.
This is normal phothography techniques and effects, this has nothing to do with the camera, except you cannot set the ISO value manually on K750 like you can on real digicams. First rule of all photographing is light, pictures are created by light hitting the lens. If there are no light, there are no picture. Light can hit the lens directly from a lightsource in otherwise low light conditions, or as reflected light, when light from the sun or a flash or lamp thats been put up pointing at the object, reflects from the object onto the lens.
Im trying to say, without offending you in any way, that quality of pictures are for 80% depending on the photographers understanding of lightsources, angles, shadows, manual settings etc and how they affect the resulting picture, naturally within the limits of what the camera is capable of.
The K750 camera is the best 2mpixel mobile cam available, without being near a pro digicam in quality, but to use it to its best, its up to the user to read and learn about photography techniques to get the good shots.
Though many mobile cams are intended as simply blind point and click cams with no thinking, and low results because of that, the K750 cam can achieve very good if the user know how to use photography techniques.
Therefore my best advice is read all you can on the subject, tutorials etc. and transfer that knowledge to your use of the K750,
Experiment with lights from different angles and distances and notice how they affect the result, how they can create blue cast, or nice shadows etc. and you will soon get better and better pictures.
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DragonEye
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On 2005-11-25 14:26:59, numb wrote:
Low light pictures are only good if you take a picture of a very bright shining object like lights from a commercial on a store or fountain or something, this makes the camera adjust ISO level to a low level according to the light you focus on and make the surroundings black without noise. If you just take a picture in an overall low light environment and the object is not some light, then the ISO value adjust to a high level to compensate for the overall low light both in surroundings and object to let in as much light as possible, this gives noise in the dark areas, and pictures you would call poor. This is why there are flashes and photolight, when the flash/photolight hits the object it reflects to the cameralense and the camera adjust ISO level according to this, making the surroundings darker with less noise.
For instance, Try to take a picture in overall low light of an object at 1mtrs distance without the photolight on, it will be overall grey, poor and noisy, then turn on the photolight and point on the object and you will immediately see in the viewer how the grey surroundings turn dark and the object clear, and so will the picture.
This is normal phothography techniques and effects, this has nothing to do with the camera, except you cannot set the ISO value manually on K750 like you can on real digicams. First rule of all photographing is light, pictures are created by light hitting the lens. If there are no light, there are no picture. Light can hit the lens directly from a lightsource in otherwise low light conditions, or as reflected light, when light from the sun or a flash or lamp thats been put up pointing at the object, reflects from the object onto the lens.
Im trying to say, without offending you in any way, that quality of pictures are for 80% depending on the photographers understanding of lightsources, angles, shadows, manual settings etc and how they affect the resulting picture, naturally within the limits of what the camera is capable of.
The K750 camera is the best 2mpixel mobile cam available, without being near a pro digicam in quality, but to use it to its best, its up to the user to read and learn about photography techniques to get the good shots.
Though many mobile cams are intended as simply blind point and click cams with no thinking, and low results because of that, the K750 cam can achieve very good if the user know how to use photography techniques.
Therefore my best advice is read all you can on the subject, tutorials etc. and transfer that knowledge to your use of the K750,
Experiment with lights from different angles and distances and notice how they affect the result, how they can create blue cast, or nice shadows etc. and you will soon get better and better pictures.
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that's the nicest way i've ever heard someone say your camera skills suck... ahahahahhaha
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One thing to bear in mind is some people may have 'touched up' or removed the noise from their photos before posting here.
Is the firmware on the phone the latest version? If not, update it using the Sony Ericsson update service.
I also wonder if it's a Sony achilles heel, the noise in pictures. I have a Cyber-Shot 3.2Mp dedicated digital camera, and the pictures that takes can be a bit grainy, especially compared to my previous Olympus 3Mp camera.
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optiplex
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Thank you all for your comments.. I think the secret is filters, I used a noise filter and some other optimization filters and now they look really good, I thought the photos posted here and in other places are without any editing.
My firmware version is R1N035 I think that’s the latest… (don’t know much about R1NA005 but the camera version is same I guess).
I really appreciate all your comments…
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Sorry to say but expecting a mobile phone to give you good pictures is a waist of energy. Buy a real digital camera for your pictures and an iPod for your music and forget all about phones giving you these options. SE are the best phones though. |
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digicam is your answer
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I know some pix r unedited.
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optiplex
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Yeah I agree that the best option is to have a digicam and an iPod, but I don’t want to carry around 3 devices (including the phone) all the time. Even though the camera is not as good as a digicam, both the music player and radio is good enough for me to replace my flash based MP3 player.
Actually I never expected the quality of a still camera from the phone, cos I have seen how bad they look in other models. However most of the reviews about K750 managed to change my opinion about phone cameras, even though it is kind of hard to take photos as good as those in review sites (cos I have trouble holding the phone still  ) … it is quite decent and handy camera especially for a phone camera.
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K750i is NOT a digital camera... 1.3MP digicams are still better than 2MP phone cams at least at low light situations, digicams have superior flash which eliminates unwanted noise.
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