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Sony Ericsson 8.1MP C905 Discussion (Shiho) |
jjjajjj
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Do not forget, they said that they expect a new firmware update just in a few days
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masada1971
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On 2008-07-24 18:05:45, jjjajjj wrote:
Do not forget, they said that they expect a new firmware update just in a few days
so what??i dont think that a firmware upgrade can change the specs of the phone... |
Hiron
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On 2008-07-24 16:09:01, NightBlade wrote:
On 2008-07-24 15:47:41, QVGA wrote:
then you havnt used any. simple.
In fact, I have.
I agree with NightBlade. The nokia I have been using since I was 14 years old until now (20 years old) is 3310, 3315, N-Gage, 6600, 7610, 9500 Communicator, N73, N82, N95 8 GB.
Sony Ericsson: K750i, K800i, W960i and K850i. I have relatively long experiences with SE and Nokia.
I change on Nokia very much, simply because I didn't satisfied. Slow loading & response time performance, although N series improved with it's powerful (but battery-hunger) CPU.
Only 4 SE phones, but wow, I prefer A100 and A200 than latest Symbian 
The latest Symbian menu arrangement is more complicated and arranged unnaturally. It can be simpler in my opinion.
Yeah, when you first take a look at A100 & A200, it seems the menu is more complicated than Nokia, because this is a new things for those using Nokia a lot. But once you take a deep practice on SE phones (use it at least 3 months) then you will find A100 & A200's menu is more simple and practising.
Let takes an example, you only need to press 3 buttons to get to inbox SMS: Menu, 5, 2. Less than one seconds loading with nice transition effects...
In nokia, even if you attached it to desktop, still needs 5 buttons to go (including arrows.) Two seconds loading with annoying freezing effects... Good news that Nokia adds transition effect in their upcoming phones.
Enabling Internet phones in A100: Menu, #, Left, 3, 1, 2.
In nokia, I count 9 buttons to pressed...
On everyday using, you will find that this buttons shortcuts helpful, and improves usability a lot! You will remember a shortcut order soon. Now I can close my eyes when I operating SE phones 
A100 and A200 already has a java apps for handling .zip, .rar, .doc, .xls, .ppt and .pdf!
Need more powerful editing? Use Microsoft Office! You will edit it without restriction on your computer's keyboard!
OperaMini is very powerful and handy compared to any native-browser, and runs flawlessly in SE phone...
Running OperaMini in Symbian, I can list some minor flaws and capabilities compared to OperaMini running in SE's phones, since OperaMini is designed in Java natively. Symbians only emulates it.
The only thing I missed from Symbian is only their games...
But again, I don't mind since I'm computer-game-freaks (wants to buy 2 pieces of HD4850-CrossFired!)
Still thinks Symbian S60 is the best? How about UIQ 3.3? Waw... Very interactive touch-screen OS, beats all other touchscreen-enabled OS.
I just dissappointed SE doesn't implement UIQ very much... SE could wins easily by offering proper-spec UIQ phones over Symbian S60.
UIQ offers touch-screen capabilities, better than any Symbian S60 Touch... My O2 XDA-II is a crap compared to UIQ. Can't comment about HTC OS, because I never tried it before.
It's a bit dissapointing that now Symbian become open-foundation. SE loss very huge UIQ exclusiveness in there. SE doesn't boost UIQ to it's full potential as a huge moneymaker, they pass a big chances to become a market leader of mobile phones.
Mmm... Yeah, and lets talk about music, since I am audiophile. At first, I think that N73 music edition is unbeatable.
Then I try K800 (Peter's W880 accoustic) with HPM-85... WOAH!!! N73 has a crap music player and sound quality! Can;t comment on Nokia's XpressMusic, because I never tried it. And when I using HPM-85 to nokia phones, you can say that Nokia's headset is a crap
Has been looking for Nokia's Headsets, No one beats HPM-85. And now SE release a better in-ear canal HPM-77, then HPM-88 with Noise Cancelling. And don't forget to mention Clear-Audio-Experience offered by W980 and W902.
The next thing I looking for SE, is adding 24-bit 192khz output (even when playing 16-bit 44.1khz mp3), Reverb DSP and Shibatch's 10-band customizable-freq EQ in their walkman phones.
Expect more? Electrostatic headset included in phone (with impossible bloody-hell high-capacity battery consumption )
About the camera-module, seems that N82 still the winner, but I starts to doubt it since I saw plankgatan's pics by his C902.
About C905 and it's rivals (next-gen Megapixel wars), let's talk it later when all of that phones released. Can't wait for Deathmatch Comparison Reviews between all 8MP phones
Still I don't mind if C905 lose again, because my CyberShot T-300 can beat it all
Now I just blamed SE for my dissappointment about their weird strategy to reducing some specs on their latest phones. High-end is not high-end as expected. There is always a flaw to be blamed about. Where is T610, K750, K800 and K800 flawless eras?
As an user, I don't mind SE lose, Nokia wins, or even if SE and Nokia going all dead. They are all about phones, and I still can live happily (ever after) without it, isn't it?
But as SE fanboy, I have a sympathy about what has happened to SE. Crap marketing strategy, unclear goals, bad vision and weird mission of future development phones, what's more?
They needs to have clear company Vision and Mission. That's a critical needs for a company to become a leader among others!
Hope the new SE manager sorts it out. But again, it's only one person! He has to face many argument from other development managers in there.
And I have a positive thinking about upcoming SE's phones. The leaked specs of Hecaro and W960 successor is very good. Someone from SE4M stated that Hecaro will have 8GB internal memory, 8MP camera, HSUPA & HSDPA, and of course with Wi-Fi and GPS.
The W960i successor comes with large (at least the same-sized as W960) touchscreen with 16GB internal memory and external memory card supports. I hope this phone and Hecaro has a new UIQ interface, and it would be selling nice if they announced and released it soon in this end of year.
But still, two of this is not breath-taking innovation. Expecting BRAVIA-brand to be implemented.
Last but not least, in Esato, everyones here has it owns argument about which phones is the best. All of us always have different point of view. That's a complexity of human brains, always has a things to be thought and debated about. It would be a boring life if everyone has the same opinions
And for now, I just tell you my own argument. I hope SE read this argument. And of course, I respect all of your argument, too.
Thanks for your attention, GBU all
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goldenface
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I prefer the simplicity of SE feature phones, the new UI is an absolute breeze to use, quick and looks sweet but thats just my preference.
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QVGA
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How about an argument that UIQ 3.3 isnt even out and probably will never and yet you said its better than S60?
About N73 being poor on audio, yes it is. Then again, its anything but a music phone and its a very old phone too. Use the newer S60 phones like N81 and then compare. Its quite sad that SE users always need to mod "something" in order to get it right, like the sound drivers. How about the fact that SE smartphones dont allow for custom eq. settings, even on W960, which is quite deplorable.
A200 is a very very sweet looking OS. But when you say how slow S60 is in comparison to A200, thats just unfair. You're forgetting the limitations of a smartphone. You can add a 5Ghz processor and they will still be slow compared to a normal phone. And when people say how 'ugly' S60 is, i just dont get what they mean. You can literally create your own UI if you have the right tools |
Hiron
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@goldenface, that's not just you, it's me too
and SE phones has a better battery lifes, since the CPU is weaker than Nokia Nseries CPU. ARM-9 200Mhz processor in C902 consumes less power than ARM-11 400Mhz in N82.
If nokia uses ARM-9 CPU, the complex Symbian OS would makes the phone very slow like a hell turtle.
A100 and A200 is fast enough to run on ARM-9 architecture.
Like making WinVista running on Pentium III. Win98, run flawlessly, when WinVista run like a 90-years-old-man
@QVGA, I only thrown my comparison argument if I has try BOTH of the phone that needs to thinks about.
Has you ever get using G900 for at least three months? G900 is not even UIQ 3.3, and although I only use it in 5 days (borrowed it ), I can states that the overall usability is better than any S60 and WM-powered O2, and Nokia N82
Then my dad's friend offering BeiBei's proto with UIQ 3.3 beta... So that's the reason why I says that UIQ 3.3 is better than Symbian, mainly because it's touchscreen capabilities.
Yes Nokia has prepared S60 touch, but I can't comment because I never try NokiaTube.
But I have seen S60 touch interface via YouTube. In my opinion, the Menu interface is still arranged as if it doesn't has a touchscreen. You will use a keypad more often (maybe because it's still beta, but it would not improved much in final release.)
In UIQ, the icon has a nice placement and arranged all over the screen, makes your finger can touch without any problem, and you would not using keypad that much.
A new user would use UIQ without any difficulities. For now, just try G900, and give it a chance for 3 months
And remember, an upcoming Hecaro and W960 successor has a probability using UIQ 3.3, and will compete with S60 touch, which I would doubt since NokiaTube doesn't offers ground-breaking specs.
It's funny knowing the fact that UIQ is running on Symbian kernel, and developed by Symbian. An open foundation makes SE lost a chance to become a market leader by max out the UIQ potential
I can't comment on N81, hasn't tried it yet. But yes, my N82 and K800i doesn't made a huge difference in sound quality WHEN i using HPM-85 to both of them.
But since N82's standard headsets is a crap. . .
As I said before, it's all about the headsets. Nokia doesn't offered decent headsets, at least in my town. Sennheiser CX-300 is the solution for my N82, a third-party headphone.
And now, HPM-77 is better than Sennheiser. Can't comment on HPM-88 yet, but I has a positive thinking for it's noise-cancelling capabilities, simply because Sony MDR series that has NC is wonderful! I think SE's HPM-88 is just a rebranding from Sony MDR series, since the model is very similar
And I agree with you QVGA, the sound-driver mod things is simply because of SE's weird strategy of Walkman. They could makes the sound driver become the same between W880 and K800.
But they don't. They lowered the sound quality of K800i. So the solution is by simply putting that W880 driver to my K800i. I mod my phone to get Walkman quality, while keeping my CyberShot capability
SE should thinks about breathtaking all-in-one flagship device that has UIQ, Walkman, CyberShot, and Bravia capabilities max out to the edge. It will sells like a hot cakes, that could make SE become a market leader.
Some years ago, Walkman and CyberShot separation is a good idea, and those two concept is still fresh.
Since they made a mistakes in some of their flagship, and the other manufacturer keeps innovating with increased competency situation, Walkman and CyberShot just behave as a fool marketing gimnick.
Nowadays, even Nokia, LG and Samsung has their own "Walkman" and "CyberShot" concept in One phone, not separated like SE.
Just try to leave this restriction, thinking out of the box, and it will attract many people from all over the world.
Still, SE has an advantages among others by offering these brand names and SE logo in their phone. SE (i mean Sony) have a nice marketing idea.
Another manufacturer doesn't has this thing. Hav you seen Nokia and Samsung logo?
Brand recognition is a good start for a company to compete with others. Just like you come to a store and looking for a computer that has Intel Inside logo
And I don't say that S60 UI has a bad looking. Good and bad is a relative thing
There are a lot of free themes that we can get. I am satisfied with S60. But humans always looking for a better things. When compared with C905 flash UI. . . Ouch!
And you're right about manual EQ flaws in UIQ, I must do some post-processing EQ to all my .mp3 by using Sony (again, Sony) Sound Forge, then upload it to my W960 
But I don't hav this problem on my A200 phones
Enough typing, I'm tired using OperaMini in my Nokia 7610 to write
Thanks for your attention, I appreciate your argument
Hiron
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QVGA
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you wrote all that on a cellphone??? impressive
and might i add that on a UIQ you cant change the menu arrangement, which can be done on S60
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Hiron
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Yeah, my mobile phone is my girlfriend, since I dont have any REAL girlfriend since I was born
But it takes some time to writing in this SMS style
I could type 10x faster in keyboard
But my parents doesn't allowing me to turn on my computer, simply because in my country, it is now 3.40am. I supposed to be in a dreamland right now
You're right, SE keeps insisting to use 12-grid type on their A200 and UIQ. Maybe that's because the shortcut capability based on 12-buttons on the phone. That makes they prevent putting an object more than 12 in the main menu.
In symbian, we only can pressing 9 upper object with the 1-9 buttons. The rest can't be pressed.
I'm quite satisfied with this 12-type. But, I would love to see SE allowing this 12 object to be customizable, like making "Messaging" object putting into 2, instead by fixed it to 5.
Maybe SE will add that feature in their upcoming phones
But for information, we can do it right now by modding a layout of the menu using some third-party program
In A200 phone, the icon looks can be changed via flash themes, without any third-party program
Thanks for your attention,
Hiron
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Hiron just one word from me ! B R A V O ! Dont forget even on nokias!stupid mms with silence on second etc pages with stupid auto 8 .sec per page stupid file manager stupid receiving stuffs over the bluetooth in messages inbox!are the bluetooth message?stupid no animation wallpaper stupid no volume for sound stuff when you play a game stupid sms where i must first choose a number for destination then write a message??upside down?and for the end stupid FREE SYMBIAN STUFF etc etc thanx you very much ! Sorry for my broken english greetings
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On 2008-07-24 22:39:19, croatia wrote:
Hiron just one word from me ! B R A V O ! Dont forget even on nokias!stupid mms with silence on second etc pages with surge auto 8 .sec per page stupid file manager stupid receiving stuffs over the bluetooth in messages inbox!are the bluetooth message?stupid no animation wallpaper stupid no volume for sound stuff when you play a game stupid sms where i must first choose a number for destination then write a message??upside down?etc etc thanx you very much ! Sorry for my broken english greetings
wow, never have i seen a more grammatically incorrect pile of garbage before. congrats, you go down in my history book
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rustam07
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Guys,
The camera module of SE C905 is bigger than Samsung INNOV8^
Samsung INNOV8 - F=5.7mm
SE C905 - F=5.91mm !!!!
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croatia
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Qvga thank you for your compliment i never learn english in scoll but believe me got much nicer mother language then yours THE END
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On 2008-07-24 23:01:03, rustam07 wrote:
Guys,
The camera module of SE C905 is bigger than Samsung INNOV8^
Samsung INNOV8 - F=5.7mm
SE C905 - F=5.91mm !!!!
So?
K800 is 5.18mm and N73 is 5.6mm. what's better ?  |
Hiron
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@rustam07,
This is just a focal length measurement. Bigger focal length doesn't means bigger sensor size.
But different focal length could give different image quality. There are many other factor. Let's judge it later when both of the product has been released
@croatia,
Slow down, he just kidding
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croatia
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Hiron Greeting from Zagreb and Sorry !i'll be loved to know english like you and send almost the same thing like you i was wrote sorry for my broken english and then Mr. Qvga must say something about
P.s. Hiron can YOU understand my posts if Mr. Qvga can't?if not really SORRY!
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