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supercoolman
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@PowerLee
your first step should be investing at least millions of dollars to get thin xenon sufficiently R&D and mass production, not just waiting and talk about the impossible at this moment. |
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PowerLee
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I'm happy with my Arc S running Gingerbread at the moment, I just take a digital camera with me that has a xenon flash when I know I need low light camera performance.
Shame I have to carry 2 devices but for now it will have to do.
One day Sony will build a decent camera phone that actually lives up to the hype, until then ill hold on to my money. |
CrownedAkuma
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On 2013-12-28 22:06:21, supercoolman wrote:
@PowerLee
your first step should be investing at least millions of dollars to get thin xenon sufficiently R&D and mass production, not just waiting and talk about the impossible at this moment.
+1
Sony as of now likes their phone thin and beatiful... this is the real signature of Xperia's, the design.
as long as the use of a flash would make their phone bulkier they will not put it into their devices (I think)...
The 1020 is a good example beacause it's not that bulkier... but still it has a bump... and Sony do not like bumpyness 
So guys I've been away from this awesome Rumor thread for a bit... (do not worry I will not ask any summary beacause I read all the 63 pages )
but... is the NO LEAK policy so bad and so strict??? 
On 2013-12-28 22:11:21, PowerLee wrote:
I'm happy with my Arc S running Gingerbread at the moment, I just take a digital camera with me that has a xenon flash when I know I need low light camera performance.
Shame I have to carry 2 devices but for now it will have to do.
One day Sony will build a decent camera phone that actually lives up to the hype, until then ill hold on to my money.
it's surely better to carry 2 devices than carrying Galaxy S4 Zoom with you! 
LOL 
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vivftp
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On 2013-12-28 22:06:21, supercoolman wrote:
@PowerLee
your first step should be investing at least millions of dollars to get thin xenon sufficiently R&D and mass production, not just waiting and talk about the impossible at this moment.
What, you mean this?
http://phys.org/news/2013-02-small-mighty-xenon-mobile-great.html
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supercoolman
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ï¼ vivftp
not exactly. the tech you referred to is only for reducing cap size and it's not in mass production yet. xenon still drains a good amount of energy from battery with this tech, so this is only part of the R&D. ideally, new flash tech should be thin and consume less power. we need innovation for camera flash just like how we go from vacuum tubes to transistors. that requires a lot of R&D. |
Xajel
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Xenon flash in mobile phone is still bulky and drains the battery fast... even though there's some technologies and advances in paper, but adapting these for mass production is still months ( or years ) away...
The best solution for me ATM if any one wanted a Xenon flash is for Sony to build an external flash module that has it's own battery, Xenon flash for still and bright LED for better lighting in video shooting... this external module can be attached using the magnetic charge port in newer devices, and also synced using these pins in the port, more advanced data can be synced using BT LE for example ( data like telling the flash to charge the capacitor and be ready to wait for the trigger, or adjusting the power of the flash ), only trigger will be performed by the pins as they're much faster than BT connection...
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vivftp
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I'd say a case with xenon flash and battery pack would would nicely. Maybe nothing quite as bulky as Nokias grip for the 1020, but a stylish case people would WANT to keep on their phone that also adds battery life and a xenon flash.
... or a Vita phone... 
EDIT.
Looks like Sony will not be selling its battery division...
http://economictimes.indiatim[....]eport/articleshow/28089706.cms
Hope we see some great surprises 
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stais
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I can see how the bulkiness of xenon is an issue, but why does everyone go on about the battery? Sure, each use of the flash would consume relatively much juice, but you typically don't take THAT many pics a day. Battery was never an issue on my old xenon equipped SE phones... |
ascariss
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On 2013-12-29 13:29:33, stais wrote:
I can see how the bulkiness of xenon is an issue, but why does everyone go on about the battery? Sure, each use of the flash would consume relatively much juice, but you typically don't take THAT many pics a day. Battery was never an issue on my old xenon equipped SE phones...
I believe all the old SE xenon equipped phones ran symbian which was much lighter on the battery than current android is, although I'm sure a large enough battery would fix that, but the camera would probably be also thicker because of the xenon flash. Only reason that Sony probably isn't making a full out camera phone, ie with even larger sensor, better optics and xenon flash, is the cybershot division. Although it seems Sony is now focusing on their A and E mount cameras so, perhaps less and less cybershots will be released and slowly replaced by a true camera phone. Technically Sony already took the first step by sticking in a standard cybershot sensor into a smartphone, all now it needs is a xenon flash and more better manual controls. |
hihihans
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I have to correct you on that one. Most  with xenon ran SE software. Even lighter in use as Symbian.
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ascariss
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On 2013-12-29 14:31:35, hihihans wrote:
I have to correct you on that one. Most with xenon ran SE software. Even lighter in use as Symbian.
Those were feature phones, and not full smartphones, the phone I was thinking about was the Satio, which is the closest to the Z1. Should have been more clear on my end.
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goldenface
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I really like Xajel's idea of utilising the magnetic charging port to attach camera centric accessories, that could be sold as part of an imaging pack, or as separates.
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maiaramdan
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On 2013-12-29 17:06:31, goldenface wrote:
I really like Xajel's idea of utilising the magnetic charging port to attach camera centric accessories, that could be sold as part of an imaging pack, or as separates.
So I think you all was talking about maybe the next generation from the QX10 and QX 100;) |
PowerLee
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Just needs a Quickshare port adding on the newer designs & ill dig out my old MXE-60 |
Supa_Fly
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On 2013-12-29 17:06:31, goldenface wrote:
I really like Xajel's idea of utilising the magnetic charging port to attach camera centric accessories, that could be sold as part of an imaging pack, or as separates.
although feasible, doesn't make dollars, thus it doesn't make sense!
1. Add's more production cost and a slight bump in R&D to make it to production,
2. Add's slightly more weight - this can affect buyers decisions when using a Sony or other products for smartphones
(after all the quest for thinner, wider and lighter is no longer a trend)
3. It's not compatible with other manufacturer's phones thus this added R&D, weight, and cost (the latter two somewhat minimal in the grand scheme of things), makes no real value.
All in all it, this magnetic charging port doesn't make any dollars via increased sales potential - for you & Xajel it does, but - in the millions of products manufactured for sales; it does not.
So for features hoped for or requests ... think from a business perspective ...
"IF it don't make dollars, it don't make sense!"
(DJ Quick).
Sony would be better off reducing Port flaps & external openings (by using a sealed removable battery door, that when closed uses a slight pressure to affix the seal to prevent water & dust). Implement wireless charging via induction (there goes the need for a MicroUSB port as a primary means of charging.
OR ... why not for the MicroSIM/SD/USB ports use a sliding door that uses a slight pressure to make a seal that is IP58 or higher. Many users avoid flaps on phones just because of simple wear and tear costing them for repairs. Sony also pays a price making sufficient replacements for these port flap covers on repairs coming into stores or shops. Include some labour time (say $16/hr US for a tech to do such repairs at top quality), then you CAN see how this suggestion makes dollars - as in spending LESS to produce such a product. Thus it makes sense. Maybe Nano Spray technology for ports and no covers are needed; and thus the repair now becomes on the motherboard which is a factory recall to retrofit, much cheaper when on the production line.
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