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Sammy_boy
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Ooooh, boto you flamer!  
Mind you, I'm certainly not a fan of his, I didn't vote for him (ever) and will be glad when (if!?) Blair's voted out of office!
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scotsboyuk
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@boto43
I am no fan of Tony Blair, and I do not condone illegal wars (even though I do think it is a good thing Saddam is out of power), but I don't see that Blair is a bigger dictator than Putin.
Blair would be very unlikely to succeed if he ever tried to create a dictatorship in Britain, not only is their little motivation, there is also little opportunity for him to do so. In fact, there has only ever been one dictatorship in British history since Roman times. Putin, on the other hand, has both the motivation and the opportunity, that isn't to say that he would actually create a dictatoship though.
I don't think calling Blair a 'liar' is fair, I don't belive he lied as such, with regards to Iraq, but rather it was a case of exaggeration. The government seem to have misled the Britishpublic about the seriousness of the situation, the most obvious example of this being the '45 minute warning'.
It would be good if Labour were put out at the next election, but unfortunately I don't see that happening.
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boto43
Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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From: Trnava-Nitra,Pardubice CSSR
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bush and blair are dictators to foreign nations.That's much worse.btw every ruler
is a dictator.
Guys,you may guess where I've read that blair is liar.
Yes,it has been british print
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absinthebri
Joined: Feb 11, 2004
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I think the fact the British press can say the British Prime Minister is a liar suggests he's not a dictator (as we still have a relatively free press). The press also freely accuse him of being a war criminal. I think he is, too, and I'm free to hold and discuss this opinion. I think Putin is not quite so interested in human rights.
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Clearday
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Blair politics
Blair continues to tell UK how difficult he found the decision to go to war. Each time he repeats the statement I see it less compelling. Like Anthony Eden with Suez, Tony Blair persuaded himself and led UK into a military adventure based on a misreading of Middle Eastern politics and of British interests….Blair’s reputation and the reputation of British politics would be immensely enhanced if he could now find the humility and courage to draw a line under the controversy by leaving his post.
The point that I must indicated here,Tony Blair and Jack Straw are fully support Turkish membership to EU,and says Turkey will bring us balance,this s such an important message,coz he has broken the balance,and now he imply to built up balance again.Iraq’s capability to produce weapons of mass destruction is equivalent to Blair’s capacity to tell the truth...This s so clear,and he lied to UK people and world.Colin Powell has confirmed this lies in his speech.
Russia;russia s a different issue,it s not like EU,not like others.It still
At present the new borders between Russia and the enlarged EU seem no less problematic. The new common border contains a number of “hot spots”.
1-the Kremlin’s consistent application of its conception of Human Rights in its relationships with Latvia and Estonia does not improve the relationships between Moscow and the Baltic states; on the contrary, it seems to postpone the normalization of the historically troubled relationships. In addition, the national border between Estonia and Russia is not yet settled.
2-the Kaliningrad region will become completely encircled by EU-member states.
3-moving south, Moscow and Brussels have to confront a new regional power– Poland who is likely to lobby for Ukraine and play a dominant role in the emerging Eastern Dimension. Further south, the question over the future of Moldova and her secessionist republic, Transdniestr, becomes acute as never before. A recent refusal by the international community - including the OSCE - of the Moscow reconciliation plan in the region indicates that the EU is starting to care about the internal situation in Moldova. Caring, however, does not go further than refusing to prolong the stationing of the Russian troops in the secessionist republic.
4-The EU makes its views on Chechnya very clear to Russia,concerned about the disturbing reports of so-called filtration camps under the authority of the Russian Federation security forces in Chechnya, and the recent footage of mass graves.
5-Brussels has traditionally expressed concern over civil freedoms in Russia. Moscow is worried about freight transit to the Kaliningrad region, the Russian-speaking population in the Baltic and tougher visa restrictions with central and eastern European countries after EU enlargement. Neither side is happy with the other's activity in the CIS.
6-The Russian side has repeatedly stated that the situation of the Russian-speaking "non-citizens" in two Baltic countries - Estonia and Latvia - does not correspond to European standards. Strictly speaking, the concept "non-citizen" does not exist in the Schengen legal base. The European Union states that human rights will always be on its agenda.
7- It is not surprising that it has not yet been signed, as the border between Russia and Kazakhstan, that is basically the border with the whole of Central Asia, remains open. Apart from this, there is virtually no infrastructure for readmitting illegal migrants to Russia.
On the whole, Russia’s and the EU’s approaches to mutual cooperation have many nuances determined by domestic difficulties, persisting mutual mistrust and the unpredictable international situation,Whatever the case may be, Russia and the EU clearly need each other. The EU is Russia's biggest economic partner and closer relations with it are very important. Russia meets up to 75% of the EU's requirements for energy resources, and EU countries currently account for about 90% of Russia's main export item: energy carriers. Accordingly, the sides will have to make more painstaking efforts to develop long-term, multilateral relations with each other.
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boto43
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On 2004-12-23 08:26:03, absinthebri wrote:
I think the fact the British press can say the British Prime Minister is a liar suggests he's not a dictator (as we still have a relatively free press). The press also freely accuse him of being a war criminal. I think he is, too, and I'm free to hold and discuss this opinion. I think Putin is not quite so interested in human rights.
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think,no problem to write the same in Moscow. 
try to read russian web news. 
but it doesnt mean they aren't dictators.
Btw I don't protect Putin just wanna say that Blair is the same or even worse.
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Clearday
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Well,an important thing that I wanna show u is the "boron resource of Turkey" I always see some issues from economical perspectives,than other perspectives following,strategic,population,culture,...
but let me clarify "boron";
1-Boron is an indispensable raw material of industry, pertaining particularly to glass, chemicals, detergents, ceramics, automotive and energy sectors, as well as metallurgical, construction, missile, space and aviation and nuclear industries.
2-Boron is a strategic source of mining. It has been the issue of hot debate for the last 25 years and it holds vital importance for our national interests, economy and future. Turkey has a rich reserve of boron mines. Turkey owns 64 percent of world boron reserves. Russia with 14 percent and the U.S. with 10 percent follow Turkey.
It is calculated that the reserves in Turkey have an economic life of more than 500 years. On the other hand, our rivals in this field, especially boron mines in the U.S. which dominate the boron market in the world, have 30 or 40 years of economic life. Some claim it is 50 or 60. It is clear that Turkey has an important boron reserve and we will become the monopoly as we hold 64 percent of the world's boron reserves.Boron is a valued added resource. Its value increases by 10 times after being refined. In this light, it holds a great importance for Turkey, as well as for the world,and of course all nations Especially Russia and EU understand the Turkey s walfare in these sections...
http://www.imf2005.itu.edu.tr/field.php
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scotsboyuk
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@boto43
Blair is far from being a dictator, there are limits on his power. I'm rather surprised that someone who used to live under communism doesn't seem to be able to recognise a dictator. Blair does have a lot of power over Britain, but he doesn't have total power here. He can be voted out of office by Parliament at any time or by the public at a general election. Blair has no means to turn Britain into a dictatorship; he is not the head of the army. Blair also must pass all legislation through the House of Lords, which can delay legislation long enough to make it unworkable before an election. All legislation that is passed by the Commons must be approved by the Queen, who has the right to refuse to new legislation (although this hasn't been used in almost three hundred years).
Putin isn't a dictator either, he still upholds democracy in Russia, although that democracy isn't necessarily what we are familiar with in the UK.
I don't see Blair as being a liar, most media reports in the UK (and elsewhere) don't actually claim he lied, bur rather that he misled the public. I think the difference is that the government greatly exaggerated the case for war, to the point where it was seen that Saddam was a threat to UK interests, whether through direct attack on the UK itslef or UK allies or UK interests e.g. Cyprus. Saddam was never a threat in this manner and this is where I don't agree with Blair's case for war. If he had said that we were going to war to remove Saddam then that is quite another matter, but to say that there were WMD and that Iraq was a threat was misleading. That isn't to say that Saddam wasn't trying to obtain WMD or that Saddam wouldn't have struck at the US/UK if he could have. It would be good if we could vote Labour out at the next election, but unfortunately the opposition parties aren't strong enough to effectively oppose Labour; hopefully a third Labour term won't see Britain going to war again.
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boto43
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Guys, I am affraid youve got only one problem.You have never lived under socialism or communism and you cant compare anything.
I think ýou should think about it becouse the most what you have heard about the socialism its not true.
I have never been a communist or a socialist (or I dont know what).
btw curently I have a firm with 30 employees.
I am affraid I still cant say that this "democracy" is better or more democratic than socialism. 
Maybe a litlle strange but its a fact to me. 
These democratic wars are terrible thing 
Think its useless to speak about it with me . I am a bit older than you  but ppl in your age in my country have the same view about socialism like you.
and I dont care if Blair,Putin,Mao are dictators.
not my problem but theirs
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kimcheeboi
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well done mate,U act as a deaf&blind as dave_uk.It s so easy to support who is from Uk.Coz u are all friends,and a friend always supports own friend.But dont forget,u must be near truth,not lies.
HEYYYY ALLLL PLEASE WHAT DO U UNDERSTAND FROM THESE WORDS?
>>>Hmmm....maybe. Time will tell, as always. Though if Al-Jazeera is an indication of the cultural growth we can anticipate, God help us all, or at least those of us who aren't Islamic!
dave says I ve misunderstood,so what have u understood from "arent Islamic" words? let me clarify please...
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what the hell are you talking about?
Opinion is opinion, its not "truth or lies." It's you who needs to get your facts straight. Oh, and are you and absinthe buddies? Cause you're supporting each other... 
After all, i could go and preach the Bible at you, and does that mean it's true? Does believing in something make it the infallible truth? I don't think so.
If, as you claim, you were university-educated, you would see the fallacies in your thought processes. The ideas that these fundamentalist Islamics try to promote are obviously wrong. Their perception of Jihad has been distorted. Terrorists have killed thousands of innocent people, and I'm sure God/Allah/Jehovah does not condone that kind of behavior.
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please ignore absinthebri, as he's incapable of listening to others' viewpoints. He also attempts to flame people for saying little things etc.
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scotsboyuk
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@boto43
I'm not entirely sure what sort of view of socialism you think I have, but I don't see it as being particualry bad, not the ideals behind it anyway. What I do see wrong in socialism is human nature, equality is all very well, but as someone once said, "Some men ar emore equal than others."
I didn't say you were a communist.
Whether you think your country's current government is better than communism or not, at least you have some measure of influence over your country's policies now. Out of interest, would your business have been allowed under the communist regime?
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boto43
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LOL
my country government doesnt lead wars
influence youre so young and naive .Id like to be ...
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scotsboyuk
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Wars? I don't believe I mentioned anything about wars. What is your point?
I'm not too sure why you are so cynical about democracy, but you do have a measur eof influence if you choose to excercise it. Personal insults against me aside, you have as much influence in a dmeocracy as you choose to excercise. If you vote, protest, petition and speak out then your voice can be heard. One only has to look at the current situation in the Ukraine to see that the people do have influence. Here in Britain the government has been forced to delay banning fox hunting because of the level of public protest.
I often wonder why some people are so cynical, it doesn't get one anywhere. It is much mor eproductive to be positive and actually take part in the political process of one's country, if one doesn't then one has no cause for complaint when the government does something one doesn't like.
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sorac
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i would say.. if in slovakia was the border open in communism and we could open a business everything would be ok...
but that is only my opinion..
about a blair...
i live in you country for some time..
i think, he is not liar, he can keep his promises, but why to the hell is he with bush?? 
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scotsboyuk
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Indeed, that is a very good question. Blair's support of Bush isn't unusual in that Britain tends to support America, but it was the lack of United Nations support that seems to have angered so many. I don't think there would have been the same level of opposition to the war if there had been United Nations support.
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