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Vlammetje
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can we get back to the topic of europe now?
Please?
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Clearday
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u welcome...
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absinthebri
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On 2004-12-22 15:12:18, Vlammetje wrote:
can we get back to the topic of europe now?
Please?
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I hope so. |
Clearday
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well,Austrai parlemento has rejected the " make a referandum about Turkey s memebership to EU" so they have opened the way of Turkey to EU.
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boto43
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merry christmas and happy ...
to all in this thread
I just don't know if Turks have xmas too.
Suppose ,new year they have in 1. january .
Think , european topic again 
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Sammy_boy
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As I say, I look forward to Turkey becoming a member, it will add some diversity and make the EU more dynamic.
I asked this a few posts ago too but it got enveloped in that little flame war, but what do people think about Russia joining? It, like Turkey, has a bit of it in Europe, and a large amount of the country is in Asia. Just imagine, if Russia was in the EU, it's borders would stretch all the way to the US (Alaska's border)!
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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Clearday
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well actually,Christmas s a religion congrulation but it s perceived like same meaning with Christmas-new year...And here we congrulate it fully,evrywhere in Turkey now has welcomed to Christmas...Noel fathers,deers...especially shopping centers boosts economy...
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absinthebri
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...what do people think about Russia joining? It, like Turkey, has a bit of it in Europe, and a large amount of the country is in Asia. Just imagine, if Russia was in the EU, it's borders would stretch all the way to the US (Alaska's border)!
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Well, when it abolishes the death penalty and becomes a working democracy, we could consider it. Turkey has made a real effort to come up to "European norms". |
boto43
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yes,but only european part of Russia.
Why ? Pacific ocean has never belonged to Europe.
Asian part should belong to Asian Union.Certainly Russia would be still one state.
absin ..., the same reason for usa why can't be part of EU [death penalty]
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Clearday
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@sammy,
Russia s so worry for contribution of Turkey into EU.coz They have thought to be a strategical aggrement with us.And tried to built up a new global block,Turkey-Russia-China-India-Iran(iran s a question)
And of course EU has seen this thing.
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Clearday
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@absinthebri,
I do not agree with you that u mentioned here.I evrytime see same things from EUs.But I have been living here appx 30 years and I honestly couldnt see anything.U can find any religion here together.In my city we have lots of sinegogs,mosques,churchs.And I have seen these scenes in other cities.Trabzon,Izmir,Bursa,Diyarbakir,Mardin,Agri...etc.
The main issue s Kurds like English-Ireland-Ira,Spain-Bask,...but the issue of Kurds has been started in 1980s by Italy,Armenian,Greece,South Cypruses...this s a in dept issue.They do not wanna to see Turkey in top level of world.
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Vlammetje
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Personally I can't really cheer at the idea of one day having to welcome Russia into the EU.
unfortunately I think Putin's politics being 'backed up' by europe would incite those that are already fighting the russians. Surely the last thing europe needs is more terroristic enemies.
Russia needs to get it;s act together and imho it's a long long long way from being related to Europe.
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Sammy_boy
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That is a good point, along with their sometimes patchy human rights record, I'd forgotten about then!
Come to think of it, there's some democractic questions as well, hasn't Putin passed some laws recently giving him more powers or something?
Then again, we have people like Burlesconi changing Italian laws so that he doesn't get prosecuted for his own financial irregularities, and the truth may not be told properly in Italy as he also just happens to own most of the media over there.....
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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scotsboyuk
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@Sam
The difference between Italy and Russia though, is that Berlusconi is less likely to govern as a dictator as Putin. I'm not suggesting Putin would abandon democracy, but there is a distinct possibility of that happening if he was pushed far enough. Russia is also far less stable a country than Italy and poorer too.
Perhaps a more interesting question to ponder, is whether Switzerland will ever join the EU.
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boto43
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Your Blair is much bigger dictator than Putin. Putin has never attacked any foreign nation that we cannot say about your prime minister.
and liar too 
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