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XperiaJunkie
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Thanks to @ moogoo and @ DACHA for clearing that up. 
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admad
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But they said that only regarding video, You can't have a OIS and enable it only for videos. So there is no OIS on Z1, it's a fact even I accepted because software video stabilisation is very good in Z1.
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@admad - so your argument is Sony implemented hardware image stabilization (i.e., Sony SteadyShot) in the Z1 and made it only work for videos? They went through the trouble of engineering all those things into the Z1 but use it only for videos and for still images, they thought.. "hey, just to be an ass, let's use digital image stabilization instead!".. you gotta be kidding me.
so yes, you can't have OIS and enable it ONLY for videos.. if its there, clearly SteadyShot is a camera feature, it's enabled for BOTH.
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I haven't really been paying much attention to the stabilization tech of the Z1. If it's really hardware, can anyone confirm if it's OIS or IBIS?
For those who don't know the difference,
OIS - Optical Image Stabilization; Usually means Lens stabilization
IBIS - In Body Image Stabilization; Stabilization happening at the sensor |
moogoo
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sony actually has a few different types of steadyshot as can be seen here:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/[....]technology/theme/alpha_01.html
all of them use some type of hardware stabilization. i actually tweeted sony to ask if they even know. i'll update if and when they reply.
bottom line - whatever sony is using, it's making everyone else's implementation look like crap. so yah, if for some crazy reason it is software (digital) stabilization, everyone else's OIS implementation is pathetic.
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iEducateYou
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From wiki:
"Different versions of these technologies are known as Super SteadyShot (SSS), SteadyShot INSIDE (SSI) and Optical SteadyShot (OSS)"
"SteadyShot technology works inside the body of the camera. It uses motion sensors to detect the user's movements. SteadyShot then compensates for some of these movements, in some versions by moving the optics and in some versions by moving the image sensor in an opposite direction to the movement."
So it depends on the version employed in Z1 
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For nostalgia reasons the original Z1
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=[....]uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwqlpBHrEP6w
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On 2013-09-10 22:32:20, iEducateYou wrote:
From wiki:
"Different versions of these technologies are known as Super SteadyShot (SSS), SteadyShot INSIDE (SSI) and Optical SteadyShot (OSS)"
"SteadyShot technology works inside the body of the camera. It uses motion sensors to detect the user's movements. SteadyShot then compensates for some of these movements, in some versions by moving the optics and in some versions by moving the image sensor in an opposite direction to the movement."
So it depends on the version employed in Z1
yah exactly. it's still moving a piece of hardware (the lens or the sensor). contrast with digital stabilization, which uses higher pixel counts to move the _image_ while keeping reference points and using software to create a "stable" image.
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Wishmaster89
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Guys, stop this discussion about steadyshot.
The truth is that sony uses digital version of steadyshot in their video cameras and even in their flagship DSLT's (A77 and A99) all due to the fact that using sensor shift for tilting fullframe sensor would be too power consuming and would produce too much heat. Probably the same type of steady shot is used for video stabilisation on Z1 and that is why it's not available in still camera. Sensor shift stabilisation will probably come with next year flagship device at the earliest, maybe sony will even manage to shrink 5-axis IS developed by Olympus to fit it in smartphones.
One thing to remember, their implementation of digital image stabilisation for video gives results so close to optical/sensor stabilisation that most users don't even know that this is the case  |
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^replace "so close" with --superior-- 
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Wishmaster89
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It's not up to me to judge it 
But I have to admit, that whatever they've done with steadyshot for videos on Z1 is more than enough for camera phone |
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I am most probably buying the Z1 (since my x10 has lasted almost 3 years, still going strong though ) around December once the price drops and unlocked C6906 is more readily available.
It is the best phone of 2013 and probably going to be the the best until Z2. Almost no other competitor is close to the Z1, and its the whole package for me. I think G2, S4, HTC1, Z, MotoX, and even 5S have good specs and features, but either they have some glaring missing features or the Z1 is just overall much better.
Even though it is arguably the best phone of 2013 and will remain for a while, there are some areas I think it can improve (probably with Z2? ):
1) Optimize software to get higher video playback time. As DACHA mentioned, Sony's video playback time is not even close to others. 
2) Expand the small apps software. S4, G2, One skins offer a lot of, while not regularly used, additional features built in. Some of which are useless, while others will be missed when moving on to another OS/skin. However, most can be mimicked through apps on Google Play or importing the apps through custom ROMs, so its no big deal. But its nice to have more usability built in.
3) 32GB minimum storage and options of 64GB and 128GB. I would happily pay $50 more for a 32GB minimum and $50/100 for other options. 
4) S-master Audio chip from Walkman. Just so Z1 is all we need (camera, music, videos, and of course calling) Plus its a good bragging right 
5) Better and cooler notification led from Xperia SP/P/S/U
6) The carbon/metal combination sounds amazing. Glass back, while it looks amazing, gets lots of fingerprints or would need oleophobic protector, and it just not as durable as metal/carbon fibre.
Highly probably features that I hope will be added shortly through software update:
1080p @ 60fps
720p @ 120fps
4K video
Lastly, just a personal preference:
Increase thickness by 1.1 mm to decrease the top and bottom bezels by 9 mm and sides by 4mm total. This will be awesome as this will still be thinner than the ZL and my x10 and many other phones out there, but this results in ridiculous size saving and gives it a much more compact design.
Other than all of this above, it really is THE BEST PHONE overall
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On 2013-09-10 21:45:36, DACHA wrote:
On 2013-09-10 21:36:53, XperiaJunkie wrote:
The Sony Xperia Z1 has a 1/2.3“ sensor, Apple have said the New (same) iPhone 5s has a new larger sensor does anyone know if the new sensor is the same size as the Z1 and are Sony still manufacturing the camera
Apple said 15% larger sensor area! The new module includes a five-element, Apple-designed lens with f/2.2 aperture and -- this is important -- a 15 percent larger active sensor area to help cut down on noise.
The iPhone 5 had 1/3.2".
The 1/2.3" sensor would not fit in the iPhone body.
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From appleinsider - 15-percent larger active sensor area, not sure if this actually means a larger sensor or apple is just using the sensor better, regardless, at 15.5mm^2 on the current iphone, 15% more would be 17.825 or roughly 1/3" for sensor size but again no idea if this is what apple used, perhaps apple is again using the words wisely and the sensor is the same one. |
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On 2013-09-10 22:50:39, Wishmaster89 wrote:
Guys, stop this discussion about steadyshot.
The truth is that sony uses digital version of steadyshot in their video cameras and even in their flagship DSLT's (A77 and A99) all due to the fact that using sensor shift for tilting fullframe sensor would be too power consuming and would produce too much heat. Probably the same type of steady shot is used for video stabilisation on Z1 and that is why it's not available in still camera. Sensor shift stabilisation will probably come with next year flagship device at the earliest, maybe sony will even manage to shrink 5-axis IS developed by Olympus to fit it in smartphones.
One thing to remember, their implementation of digital image stabilisation for video gives results so close to optical/sensor stabilisation that most users don't even know that this is the case
Can you please link me where you found that? It would be weird for sony to use just digital in their flagships (such as the A99 you mentioned).
I found this review site mentioning a "the A99 features built-in sensor shift image stabilization" I am confused whether they got it wrong or not. (http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/sony_a99_review/)
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