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vivek_h
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yea slattery, i agree with ya...
the w800i is just a k750i with a walkman tag, a 512 mb stick(instead of 64), flight mode, and funky colours...
the 750 got everything else it has...for a much cheaper price...
buts tahts business...make a similar phone, add a couple of features, and add a well known brand tag to it...and voila..people think its somethign completely different...
i doubt w800i will sell a lot....whoever wants an mp3 player wudve bought the 750 by the time the 800 releases...
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Yazan24
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VIVEK, I agree with you the W800 is very close to the K750, just marketing, similar to the approach Nokia take.
Pens are existing technology and phones are existing technology,
are pen phones existing technology, its not a normal pen dumbass, its writes SMS, through movement detection, There are things like that in the market but the first people to come up with the movement detection are innovators.
Biodegrable phones arent new, Moto had a similar idea, and trashed it as bart said, WHEN THE PHONES COME OUT (Another 10 years) and theyre biodegrable we'll argue about that.
Calm down, I use normal insults, you insulted my mom, real mature. How old are you again?
But seriously, the color screen by Ericsson was an innovation, due to the fact that it opened up new possibilities, the 4 color screen didnt allow anything but a partially colored screen, and if you were old enough at the time and used it you wouldve realized it was a normal siemens just with colors allocated somewhat randomly.
However the 16 color screen allowed backgrounds themes etc, something that was never available before, it opened up ENDLESS possibilities that we still see today. Hence it wasnt just a color upgrade, it allowed endless functionality advances.
Bluetooth, one of the best mobile innovations in the past decade.
Lets keep this thread going on on the right path, so watch what you say, Im trying to prove my point, I dont want the thread to be locked, if you dont have anything nice to say, please dont say anything at all.
ALSO- I didnt say the Nokia was smaller, I said there were phones that were in the same range as the T610 smaller/larger and it is only larger by 2mm in one dimension, so WHO DOESNT KNOW WHAT THEYRE TALKING ABT NOW.
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This thread is hilarious, you're all going round in circles.
Lets work out what the word innovative actually means and then compare Sony Ericsson to Ericsson.
"1: a creation (a new device or process) resulting from study and experimentation [syn: invention] 2: the creation of something in the mind [syn: invention, excogitation, conception, design] 3: the act of starting something for the first time; introducing something new; "she looked forward to her initiation as an adult"; "the foundation of a new scientific society"; "he regards the fork as a modern introduction" [syn: initiation, founding, foundation, institution, origination, creation, introduction, instauration]"
Okay, Ericsson may have been more innovative in terms of the SECOND point in this dictionary reference. They created things new because back then new technologies were suddenly taking off. Colour screens, bluetooth, gprs, active flips etc.
Now that technology is very advanced, there is alot of additional innovation to already created models. This is where Sony Ericsson come in. I feel they are more suited to the first point in the dictionary reference "a creation (a new device or process) resulting from study and experimentation " . They have done much experimentation and consequently not created something out of the blue and new as such but something refined and individual and amazing. This sums it up to be innovative because they have created something after it has undergone extensive experimentation and research. There are 2 megapixel phones out there, but the K750 was the first to adapt a candy bar style, or one of them, in Europe. The K750 was experimented and worked on for a long time, thus does it not have the right to be called innovative? It may not be on the same level of innovation as the T68m but its on its own level of innovation in a world where technology is advancing and the timescale between newly developed microchips is shortening. Just because something isn't a major breakthrough like what Ericsson had up its sleeve doesnt mean it isnt innovative.
I hope what i have said makes sense and i am quite happy to clarify my points to you, its late and im busy watching television  .
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goldenface
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Title says SE have never been innovative - the reason? basically because for everything SE have ever done, it has never invented Bluetooth like Ericsson did. 
@Yazan. So putting a 1.3mp cam, Radio, Organiser, Video Recorder, sound recorder, Internet Browser, 3G, BT, USB port etc, into a package the size of small cigarette packet isn't innovative?  come on! Inventing the wheel is innovative. Does that mean inventing the Pneumatic Tyre isn't? You have a funny idea of innovative. 
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Yazan24
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It is, but it has already been done before,
Someone said in the late 1800's everything that is worth inventing, has already been invented.
Which is exactly what your suggesting now, its only because if we knew what the next big innovative thing was, we'd patent it and be billionaires.
So its difficult to suggest what innovative is now, all we can describe it as is something big, new and will change the industry its implemented in forever.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Lets just keep it at that, and LOCK this thread. Hehehe. 
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S4k1s
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there u go personal again ... me a dumbass? hehe
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I didn't insult your mom dude .. use your brain cells and read it again
And as far as my age goes ... you are on need to know basis on that
So here we go again ... (I hope u understand by now I do this for fun only )
quotes are from your (Yazan24) posts in this thread..
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Oh and biodegrable phones arent innovative, they utilize existing technology (biodegradable plastics) and implement them in phones |
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So utilizing existing technology and implement it in phones is not Innovative.
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So are you saying Ericsson Invented the color screen?
No, in fact Ericsson implemented the color screen in a phone wich according to you my m8 isn't Innovative.
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Don't be calling other people names then or degrade them in any way.
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| ALSO- I didnt say the Nokia was smaller, I said there were phones that were in the same range as the T610 smaller/larger and it is only larger by 2mm in one dimension, so WHO DOESNT KNOW WHAT THEYRE TALKING ABT NOW. |
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Actually you said:
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| T610 not the smallest camera phone of its time.
-Several Phones by other Manufacturers are within the same size range smaller/larger by mm, eg. N7250- |
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N7250 ... mm ... 3mm is 3mm ... == 3mm BiGGER
And I told you to look at the tech. specs m8,
Man. SE Nokia
Model T610 7250
Height 102 105
Talktime (m) 840 300
Email Yes No
Bluetooth Yes No
Number of colours 65536 4096
Voicedialing Yes No
Display height 160 128
Voicememo Yes No
And T610 is a smaller phone
Btw wich one came out first?
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Yes, agree .. but still BT in the phone is not Innovative .. it's just a implementation.
And while I'm at it, lets end this m8, you are exactly proving me wrong here ok |
batesie
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/// Ericsson - Innovators in Telecommunications
Sony - Innovators in High Quality electronics.
b4 and since  They have raised the standards in Mobile phone technology so much, most people take it for granted.
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Yazan24
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You quoted me saying this: -
T610 not the smallest camera phone of its time.
-Several Phones by other Manufacturers are within the same size range smaller/larger by mm, eg. N7250-
Which Says smaller/larger. So read clearly,
Bluetooth is not an implementation, ERICSSON INVENTED IT.
If you read the other posts, it says that the biodeg phones wont hit the market for a while.
And Implementing with modifying which will lead to several major changes in the future, are partially innovations, theyre called incremental designs.
Please I thought this thread was settled but clearly, you're too immature to leave it at that and want to be right at the end.
But your not.
Live with it.
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Yazan24
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[quote]
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| ALSO- I didnt say the Nokia was smaller, I said there were phones that were in the same range as the T610 smaller/larger and it is only larger by 2mm in one dimension, so WHO DOESNT KNOW WHAT THEYRE TALKING ABT NOW. |
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Actually you said:
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-Several Phones by other Manufacturers are within the same size range smaller/larger by mm, eg. N7250- |
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READ THIS LINE
-Several Phones by other Manufacturers are within the same size range smaller/larger by mm-
IT MEANS, SOME PHONES ARE IN THE SAME SIZE RANGE.
Idiots piss me off.
Please lock this thread.
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goldenface
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But innovative doesn't mean big and new and the K600 IS innovative simply because of its size and features. |
scotsboyuk
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Yet another mind numbing thread with people arguing about things that they either don't fully understand or attempt to manipulate to suit their argument.
What exactly is innovation? Why is producing the first 5 MP cameraphone innovative? It is merely producing a better model than a previous 4 MP cameraphone. It isn't really anything 'new'. However, it is innovative because we haven't seen it before.
SE are an extremely innovative company, they create high quality products that utilise features in innovative ways. How many mobile phones were able to control a remote control car before SE implemented it? How many people could control a power point presentation using their phone before SE implemented it? How many people had mobile with a colour screen, GPRS and POP e-mail support before the T68i? How many mobiles could pass as a camera before the K700 or the S700?
I find Yazan's logic extremely flawed because it implies that something can only be innovative if it is completely new. If we were to use this logic then what is it that Nokia have done that is innovative? Changeable covers? What about Samsung? A HDD handset, what else? Are we counting improvements to exisitng camera technology as innovative?
Innovation comes through both invention and applying exisiting technology in new ways. SE are as, if not more, innovative than most mobile phone manufacturers. Indeed, the only two manufacturers who can really be described as technologically innovative are SE and Samsung.
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so what would you call the K800? an even bigger innovation?
no such small upgrades are not really innovation.
the T68m was a hudge step up from the T39m or other phones from other companies.
it was small, rubber back, 2 nice falshing leds, bluetooth, GPRS, color screen, later on MMS, theme's, backgrounds, more personal touch, abilety to add stuff like games and ofcourse a joystick! (altought ericsson wasn't the first with a joystick i think).
some one asked what would be innovation that we want from SE.
what about a P1000 with all its updates that we can think of but with a build in projector to show movies, build in GPS, my friends that fully works also with push to talk and GPS location ( i know operator depended), changeable colors for keypad light, ...
or what about a phone like the R250s PRO, but smaller, more up to date, and able to use under what incl cam so it would be possible to take underwhat shots (in swimming pools, not really a tool to go diving).
oyea the jogdial is a nice thing on the Pxxx but its not that strong and takes alot of dust. the original plan by ericsson was to have a joysctik and some other buttons under the screen (screen would be bigger), or to have a 4way arrow button like on there R380 which worked in the same way as the R380
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S4k1s
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@Yazan24
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It's sad you piss your self off ... sad really sad ..
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| Bluetooth is not an implementation, ERICSSON INVENTED IT. |
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They still _implemented_ it in phones. You know BT is a chip don't you.
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| Please I thought this thread was settled but clearly, you're too immature to leave it at that and want to be right at the end. |
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Yeah who's talking.
My point is (plz dude burn some brain cells on this one ok) when you are talking about SE you say taking 2 existing technologies and implementing them in phones == not Innovative
but on the other hand you say utilizing a color screen in a phone is Innovating .. or a pen utilized in a phone is Innovating .. or BT in a phone is Innovating.
Ericsson Invented BT, yes, but they implemented it in the phones ,,, Sony Invented the Walkman, but they Implemented it in a SE phone ...
You can look at both as Innovations or Implementations.
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goldenface
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@bart. But no one is saying that Ericsson isn't innovative! You seem to be wanting to argue that /// is more innovative but that is not what the title of the thread states. .
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S4k1s
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