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5nak3
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Ok just had a look at the showroom link Blerk posted, and I'm aware UIQ are stated that these are some prototype ideas...but WOW!!!
I'm impressed by those touch functions, seriously they look amazing and if they can be rendered like that in real life you have a system which is easily on par with the iPhone in my opinion.
But what I can't understand is what phone will be sporting those features? Because they look really good and now with SE out of the picture and Moto left using UIQ...what happens to those prototype ideas.
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haris_el
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I was with SE for 9 years, my last phone being an M600… I thought it was the best phone for me, and just waited for a major improvement with another phone. Didn’t like the P1i and waited and waited… X1 is taking so much time to come out, and in the end I bough E71…
Guys, I am amazed with what Nokia can do… I don’t think I will go back to SE…
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soulsaber
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On 2008-10-26 11:24:20, blerk wrote:
Its a pity that many nice models never see the daylight in a shop. Cancelled phones with some potential:
- M610i
- G702/BeiBei
- Paris
I wonder what is the pipeline now, if anything it probably won't be bases on UIQ any more, maybe WM and Android on SE phones, what a pity!
Look here: http://www.uiq.com/product/showroom/
The have some sweetness left in the candy shop and SE won't be giving it to us anymore 
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Wow those are some very nice looking menus....but no offense, it looks like the iphone interface improved.
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5nak3
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why is that a bad thing? Looking like an iphone menu isn't a bad thing especially if the software can not only look that great but be good to use and powerful enough for the consumers to complete the tasks they want? |
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So G702 will never be released?
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Nope.
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ares
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Sorry Max, you reveal complete ignorance about UIQ in every post you make.
"UIQ 3.3 is not stable" says it all. UIQ 3.0 is right now a mature and stable platform. UIQ 3.3 is a evolution, and acording to people that tried the prototypes of Paris and Beibei, is as stable as its predecessor.
Again. SE could perfectly use better hardware on Paris on Beibei. The decision of sticking with the old processor was completely stupid, and they and they had other prototypes running UIQ 3.3 with the new processors.
They abandone UIQ because they (and Moto) did not do enough in the decisive times. Few models, delays, lack of promotion, lack of user support, lack of hardware evolution when they could do it, etc...they went into a dead end.
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max_wedge
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On 2008-10-26 23:49:45, ares wrote:
Sorry Max, you reveal complete ignorance about UIQ in every post you make.
"UIQ 3.3 is not stable" says it all. UIQ 3.0 is right now a mature and stable platform. UIQ 3.3 is a evolution, and acording to people that tried the prototypes of Paris and Beibei, is as stable as its predecessor.
Again. SE could perfectly use better hardware on Paris on Beibei. The decision of sticking with the old processor was completely stupid, and they and they had other prototypes running UIQ 3.3 with the new processors.
They abandone UIQ because they (and Moto) did not do enough in the decisive times. Few models, delays, lack of promotion, lack of user support, lack of hardware evolution when they could do it, etc...they went into a dead end.
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2008-10-26 22:53 ]
If the devices were stable then the processor was fast enough surely? How can you say the hardware is the problem, then on the other hand say that the phones were running fine?
Make up your mind. I'm not professing to be a know it all, I'm just speculating. You on the other hand think you know it all, yet still can't offer any logical explanation of why SE pulled UIQ. You are cranky with SE and just want to blame them for being uncaring of customers. If that's your trip fine.
Personally I can't see that they would NOT ENSURE THE SUCCES of UIQ JUST TO PISS PEOPLE OFF.
Obviously there is more to the issue than just not throwing better hardware at it.
But believe what you want to I don't care. Myself, I believe that if UIQ3.3 had no problems and all they needed to do was put in a faster processor, then they would have done so. Either the hardware required to run UIQ3.3 adequately is far too expensive to justify rolling out UIQ3.3, or UIQ3.3 is not stable yet (not necessarily that it crashes, but some aspect they could not get to work reliably).
Either way SE had a business imperative for not rolling out the new handsets. They certainly wouldn't not bring the handsets out without very good reason.
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On 2008-10-26 23:49:45, ares wrote:
lack of user support
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2008-10-26 22:53 ]
now why do you think that is?
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jmbillings
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On 2008-10-27 01:40:18, max_wedge wrote:
If the devices were stable then the processor was fast enough surely? How can you say the hardware is the problem, then on the other hand say that the phones were running fine?
Stability and speed are two completely different things. My P1 could do with a faster processor. Opening the messaging app is slow in particular. But i'd say it's stable - I very rarely need to reboot it or have it crash on me.
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Tsepz_GP
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Agree with ares and jmbillings.
Speed doesn't always mean stability. What ares is saying is that UIQ3.3 had the stability like UIQ3.0 in the P1 BUT lacked the speed/processing power due to SE using old CPUs in their UIQ3.3 protos, which makes sense, surely with a new platform you should start implementing newer and more powerful hardware to insure that it runs fast even under heavy tasks. SE could have simply gone the NOKIA way and used the cheaper yet powerful Freescale CPUs, that can run at upto 532mhz.
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How can you say the hardware is the problem, then on the other hand say that the phones were running fine? To understand what ares is saying, you need to carefully observe what is (1) software made by UIQ (=UIQ3.x), (2) software made by SE (=manufacturer-specific customizations on SE's UIQ phones), and (3) hardware (always made by SE, and never UIQ).
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max_wedge
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On 2008-10-27 08:49:09, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Agree with ares and jmbillings.
Speed doesn't always mean stability. What ares is saying is that UIQ3.3 had the stability like UIQ3.0 in the P1 BUT lacked the speed/processing power due to SE using old CPUs in their UIQ3.3 protos, which makes sense, surely with a new platform you should start implementing newer and more powerful hardware to insure that it runs fast even under heavy tasks. SE could have simply gone the NOKIA way and used the cheaper yet powerful Freescale CPUs, that can run at upto 532mhz.
I know speed doesn't necessarily mean stability, but if it doesn't have enough speed it's more prone to lock ups, and or even just extreme slowness, it makes the phone unusable. That's what I meant be instability. That's what Arfe is saying isn't it? That the phone needs more speed to give it justice? To make it work adequately.
So what I'm saying is, maybe it's needs considerably more speed than SE predicted and the suitable hardware may be too expensive to justify bringing out a final run of UIQ.
I don't think you guys realise SE doesn't own any part of symbian anymore, all the current symbian stock and IP is being bought out by Nokia. No more development on Symbian is continuing. To keep developing UIQ when it may not even (probably won't be) compatible with SF what would be the point?? Why not put the money (whether it's hardware or software) into developing WM or Android (unlikely imho) now, rather than be behind the eight ball later. I think SE have gone - "we've done the maths, and it's unlikely that the cost of making UIQ3.3 handsets a success will be recoverable in sales."
Why else are they gonna not do it? If as you guys say it's a sure fire bet the phones will be successful if only SE give it a faster processor, then they would be doing it. The way I see it, they have to have a reason for doing what they are doing. A business reason. They are not gonna bring out one last run of (non-profitable) UIQ devices just to make a very small group(relative to total users) of loyal UIQ fans happy.
Sorry but it's not gonna happen and tbh I don't see why it should.
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anonymuser
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The Motorola Z10(?) had/has HSDPA, and runs UIQ3. It's also based on a better processor than SE ever used, but on the flipside it's not a touchscreen, thereby losing the one real advantage that UIQ had in the first place.
All that said, I think it's pointless to be pointing fingers at SE or anyone else for the death of UIQ. It died because it didn't keep up, and never really had the traction behind it in the first place to ensure that SE or anyone else really looked after it. If UIQ was worth saving, it would have been, at the end of the day - the fact that the protest against it's death begins and ends in this thread pretty much sums up the impact it on the market as a whole.
Yes SE could have done more to push UIQ, then again, they presumably had their reasons for not doing so - and where were the queue of other manufacturers eager to realise it's potential? Absolutely nowhere. At the end of the day, UIQ wouldn't have survived a single day without SE's support.
It's well past time to say goodbye - for me, and plenty of others, UIQ died on the release of UIQ3 anyway. The P800 I miss, while the M600 - which served me quite faithfully for a year - never held my affection in the same way.
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max_wedge
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On 2008-10-27 14:22:41, Boinng wrote:
Yes SE could have done more to push UIQ, then again, they presumably had their reasons for not doing so - and where were the queue of other manufacturers eager to realise it's potential? Absolutely nowhere. At the end of the day, UIQ wouldn't have survived a single day without SE's support.
I agree, SE did what they could, the time has come to say goodbye.
The question now is can SE take advantage of other platforms to the good of their marketshare. Can they make WM work? Will they adopt some other platform? Will they give a serious commitment to their next line of smartphones, whatever they may be?
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