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borisisinvin
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Actually, here in the US on t-mobile's network I've yet to get a "free" Sony Ericsson upgrade. All of the Sony Ericsson phones I've "gotten" were at full MSRP, or at a bloated importers price! So, I think I'm well within my rights to expect a little more than the same phone I bought a year ago, just re-hashed and in a different case. Please speak for yourself when making large sweaping statements like that! What's wrong with wanting more innovation from a device or a manufacturer anyways? Would you still be happy using a T610 today?... | |
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It's interesting that rose-mari brought up the point that SE's mid-range price isn't so mid-range. Perhaps SE IS in their ideal make-believe world that they're offering high-end phones hence their pricetags justified. Some of you have really low expectations (and some might argue it's the opposite end for me), so I would expect you to be happy with this situation for a long, long time looking at SE's trend and I, not so happy. How can I be, how can you be IF you were in my shoes and you're stuck with a 3 year old technology (some claim 4 y.o) which is still premium stuff at SE?
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max_wedge
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On 2007-10-09 02:54:39, carkitter wrote:
IMO  's user friendly UI makes features easily accessable and it's more likely for me to use these features. That's where REAL innovation is IMO.
Well said carkitter. Innovation isn't always something obvious like a new feature.
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anyer
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amazing at one company roll out such more cell with one year,
most of them has similar contents but different outlook.
it would be easy to run a business if they just roll out the upgrade of outlook fo the case, LOL |
max_wedge
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SE bring out shitloads of phones in only 12 months, and people complain they aren't innovative?
They have made phones smaller and thinner. They have increased both the form factor choice and pricing segment choice in Walkman and Cybershot models. They have innovated in styling and have introduced new UI features.
The only "innovation" that SE has not delivered on:
1. VGA video: still poor quality even at VGA res and still just a gimmick
2. Inbuilt GPS: Sure it would be nice, but those who need it can still utilise third party BT gps devices. So IMHO it's no great failure to not have "innovated" on those points alone.
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technical-expert
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Rather than SE conentrating at UI
first they most first develop good engineered phone
One out of two or may be two out of two phones have Design and technical flaws
Let me give some examples which I know
1)K700i
quickshare label falls within few months
2)W800I
Joystick tends to have some problems
Coming to 2006
P990 Major software problems,unstability
Coming to 2007
1)w580i slider sturdiness issue
2)k850i lens cover,the glass which is prone to scratches and dust,u may end with bad quality pictures.
3)w910i again bad slider engineering
Problems
First phone must be well and should be sturdy quality and stable,and then
even after 6 months or so u start experiencing durability issue with some phones and one year almost all most issues with all phones,As most of people do not use their phones more than 2years i guess,if someone has used thought could have come across all types of design issues
Suggestions
First Se must try engineer the phone properly,
and then instead of putting less useful types of things like pedometer,and shaker function( this would be annoying to use in public,may be ur gonna hit some one near by or drop the phone by accident while shaking SE just tries to Fascinate things which such use-less things)
Instead they need to concentrate on three things which i feel most
Build quality
User friendliness (keypad and buttons)
And camera , video recording,picture quality and audio player and radio
Noise reduction algorithm for pictures ( instead of improving the software with timeline and best pic and other things,all these are next to better quality pictures)
So SE needs to try to get the "Basic right",and then go to advanced functions.
And must try to Justify price of their "price of the phone"
"NOW LETS WAKE UP, AND LETS THINGS CHANGE"
' U CAN ONLY GO FORWARD STEADILY,WHEN U LOOK AT LEARN THE PROBLEMS AND HURDLES BY LOOKING BEHIND","DONT REPEAT SAME THINGS"
IF THEY TRY TO MAKE MONEY,THEY WILL HAVE FEW FANS TO BUY ,IF THEY TRY TO MAKE GOOD PHONES,SE CAN BECOME LEADER IN MOBILE PHONE
TECHNOLOGY
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truewor
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@MAX_WEDGE
i agree with you, especially about the innovation things.
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max_wedge
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On 2007-10-09 07:15:06, arunvc wrote:
Rather than SE conentrating at UI
first they most first develop good engineered phone
One out of two or may be two out of two phones have Design and technical flaws
Let me give some examples which I know
1)K700i
quickshare label falls within few months
2)W800I
Joystick tends to have some problems
Coming to 2006
P990 Major software problems,unstability
Coming to 2007
1)w580i slider sturdiness issue
2)k850i lens cover,the glass which is prone to scratches and dust,u may end with bad quality pictures.
3)w910i again bad slider engineering
Problems
First phone must be well and should be sturdy quality and stable,and then
even after 6 months or so u start experiencing durability issue with some phones and one year almost all most issues with all phones,As most of people do not use their phones more than 2years i guess,if someone has used thought could have come across all types of design issues
Suggestions
First Se must try engineer the phone properly,
and then instead of putting less useful types of things like pedometer,and shaker function( this would be annoying to use in public,may be ur gonna hit some one near by or drop the phone by accident while shaking SE just tries to Fascinate things which such use-less things)
Instead they need to concentrate on three things which i feel most
Build quality
User friendliness (keypad and buttons)
And camera , video recording,picture quality and audio player and radio
Noise reduction algorithm for pictures ( instead of improving the software with timeline and best pic and other things,all these are next to better quality pictures)
So SE needs to try to get the "Basic right",and then go to advanced functions.
And must try to Justify price of their "price of the phone"
"NOW LETS WAKE UP, AND LETS THINGS CHANGE"
' U CAN ONLY GO FORWARD STEADILY,WHEN U LOOK AT LEARN THE PROBLEMS AND HURDLES BY LOOKING BEHIND","DONT REPEAT SAME THINGS"
IF THEY TRY TO MAKE MONEY,THEY WILL HAVE FEW FANS TO BUY ,IF THEY TRY TO MAKE GOOD PHONES,SE CAN BECOME LEADER IN MOBILE PHONE
TECHNOLOGY
That's got to be the biggest nitpick I've ever seen. The only significant problem you mention is the P990. Joystick problems were not global - my K750 and many K750/W800 I know of never had joystick problems. K700 quickshare label - so freakin what? Looked better without it anyway. W850 slider sturdiness - only the same as just about any slider phone I've ever used except samsung. K850 lense cover - is that a joke? Any phone or camera with a lense cover has this problem - the answer is to keep your damn phone clean for God's sake.
SE cameras have better Noise Reduction algorithms than their nearest competitor Nokia and better detail. Better media player interface, better Button placement and purpose (already perfect from years of development - needs no further improvement)
Sheesh - is this the best people can come up with??
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If you think the joystick problem wasnt serious then you're only kidding yourself. Lots of people other than you had this problem including myself.
Dont forget the broken keypad of S500, or am i just nit picking?
K700 looked better without that label? Is that an excuse?
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The only phone I used with a joystick was my T68i, and I never had a problem with it at all during the whole 2 years I was using it, my wife never had a problem with her W800 after almost 2 years of using it either. IMHO, any problems associated with joysticks especially during the initial stages is attributed to its implementation rather than wear and tear. It's actually very solid if assembled correctly in the first place. This on the other hand is a whole new topic
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SloopJohnB
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My W800 īs had problems with the joystick twice and now the camera is turning on by itself draining my battery and annoying me. I remember the first time i pulled my w800 from its box and the battery cover and overall parts felt squeaky. There have not been one model without some sort of problem in its built-in quality till today. Saying other brands also have problems is no excuse, I donīt believe any other brand has this on all its product line like does. have not impressed me since the k750/w800 days, this year only w960 seems really promising but its not out yet and im afraid it will come filled with software bugs like most smartphones on launch and also have bad built-in quality. Nokia is the best brand of the world in the moment, is too far behind. I believe apple now can hold a candle agaisnt nokia but not because it competes in terms of tech (nokia is too ahead) but because if offers something different it u fell like trying something new. is not offering anything really new, its just releasing phones with techs that nokia īs already had for months. is feeling outdated and its a shame. |
rss_ndrsn
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Will we see a much interesting porfolio [especially high-end] if SE becomes World's third biggest selling mobile manufacturer?
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borisisinvin
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Ooohhhh, good point, hhhmmmm..... |
ttsng
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I think the 2008 pro portfolio may be better because SE change the CEO . |
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Let's all pray that this is the case  Despite my constant b#t*@ing about SE I still have faith in them, I'm still here!
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