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Jools
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"Anyone can do a DOS attack'
A slight exaggeration... I can't, and no-one I know can.
"So yes, even the apple kiddies can do it too, since the tools you need can be compiled for BSD (mac)."
I didn't say it wasn't possible on a Mac. I said I seriously doubt many (most?) Apple users would know how.
I've been using Apple computers for 18 years, and am probably more knowledgeable than most about doing pretty much any task on one - however, even I would have absolutely no idea where to start if I wanted to do a DDOS attack.
Even if I found the code, I wouldn't have a clue how to compile it for BSD, or run it, or how to make it work. I don't think I'd be wrong in saying that applies to most Apple users.
Saying anyone can do it is just incorrect. You do need considerable technical knowledge, both of networks an compiling code. Don't these things need hundreds of compromised Windows machines to work?
"i can even do the more advanced Distributed DOS attack"
I'd be careful what you say, you might get the blame for this attack - even without any proof!
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max_wedge
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I'm not expert, but I have come across underground sites with all sorts of stuff, including DDOS scripts. Where I think the difficulty might be is in deploying the attack from as many different vectors as possible without revealing yourself. For example every release point has to have no connection to you, and you may have to release the bot several times from different locations before it finds enough slave machines to form a strong enough network to launch a DDOS attack. It helps if you are lucky enough to be able to utilise a zero-day vulnurability, but that info is often available on underground websites also.
I'm just guessing, but I reckon anyone with a serious enough intent, would be able to find the necessary info on the net to perform a DDOS, but to do it in such a way as to avoid detection and arrest, that's another story.
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odelsteken
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@ SMS
I see your point but that also why I'm writing about it here: there's been no proof of who's behind it, just rumours! Eldar has been very open about everything and even included the info about the ICQ message that started this rumour. That's what we got, but still people take the easy way out and start bashing without thinking.
If it turns out to be a group not connected to Apple or Apple products, who will look like fools? But I guess everybody thought about that and cosider it worth the risk, or??
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Johnex
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On 2007-08-19 09:46:27, JoolsG4 wrote:
"Anyone can do a DOS attack'
A slight exaggeration... I can't, and no-one I know can.
"So yes, even the apple kiddies can do it too, since the tools you need can be compiled for BSD (mac)."
I didn't say it wasn't possible on a Mac. I said I seriously doubt many (most?) Apple users would know how.
I've been using Apple computers for 18 years, and am probably more knowledgeable than most about doing pretty much any task on one - however, even I would have absolutely no idea where to start if I wanted to do a DDOS attack.
Even if I found the code, I wouldn't have a clue how to compile it for BSD, or run it, or how to make it work. I don't think I'd be wrong in saying that applies to most Apple users.
Saying anyone can do it is just incorrect. You do need considerable technical knowledge, both of networks an compiling code. Don't these things need hundreds of compromised Windows machines to work?
"i can even do the more advanced Distributed DOS attack"
I'd be careful what you say, you might get the blame for this attack - even without any proof!
18 years does not really mean that you have done anything productive for the computer world, like most people dont do. Helping people turn on their macs or formating their hdds is not rocket science. From the fact that you cant compile anything, means that you have not made any programs, or even coded much that is worth something.
And yes, Macs are for less gifted computer people, thats how it is. PC's are for gaming, cad and other advanced features. Macs are used for mail, making movies, and some editing, but nothing out of the ordinary. Lets just say that nothing contributing to humanity is made on a mac, so no go on a space shuttle running mac os....
If i had done the attack, it wouldnt be on a puny site like mobile review, please, that is just insulting. And no, i dont take that road, i just have extensive knowledge for testing on my own servers and applications, since it is required to have any kind of successful site that wont come down with such a simple attack. |
MWEB
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Liked your analogy SMS  , better that we stick to matters in hand rather turning this thread into a MS V Apple slanging match.
I don't imagine that Johnex has any malicous intent, but less aggressive and more helpful posts on the subject by him would make that presumption somewhat more obvious. |
Johnex
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^^ Sorry about that, just wanted to burst Jools mac bubble, thats all. Anyway, if you want more info, just ask. |
MWEB
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Sure thing, thanks , The two Admins on M-R (Odelsteken and myself) are on opposite sides of the Apple debate but somehow we manage to get along .
Blimey Brightspark on Esato, this really is becoming a site thats open to all.
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Johnex
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posted from a Dell XPS M1210, the Macbook slayer!!
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odelsteken
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@ Johnex
You say Mac is used by less computer gifted people. Howcome Mac is the prefered computer for creating animated movies (hollywood style), movie effects and it is totally dominating the advertising business? Also, the latest report I heard is that Javaprogrammers tend to prefer inte based macs as they can use more than one OS on them.
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Brightspark
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"Blimey Brightspark on Esato, this really is becoming a site thats open to all."
ay up, mweb .
@ odel
actually, very few, if any, use macs for animation etc
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/[....]EEDF1F3CF93BA25755C0A9649C8B63
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9653
they virtually all use linux now.
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Cycovision
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You could always develop and test a DDOS trojan on a Mac running a Windows emulator I suppose 
Deploying a DDOS attack is relatively easy. Deploying a DDOS attack that actually works is a different matter altogether. Thanks to the widespread use of decentralised file sharing, finding your target machines is an absolute doddle.
But once they've downloaded and run that naughty exectutable of yours, how do you make it get round Windows security features, all third-party antivirus and antimalware applications, all third-party firewalls, and anything else that the average paranoid PC user might be running?
That's what separates the men from the boys
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shyam335
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For gods sake,even digg can be used for DDOS lol
next,p2p networks,there are several exploits there too which enable them to be used as effective tools.
Not to mention those worms,underground sites et all.
Why isnt M-R up till now?
odelsteken,
could you elaborate hat u said on java ?
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Johnex
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Haha  . Well since the ddos is basically a port attack, and a legit request according to apache webserver, there is not much you can do, without distributed servers . That is where testing a ddos attack on your server comes in, to prevent sites from totally being knocked out.
See, here we have a splendid example of a pc expert. Knows the things that mac owners dont lol! . Thanks for pointing that out Cyco |
Cycovision
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On 2007-08-19 16:51:17, shyam335 wrote:
For gods sake,even digg can be used for DDOS lol
next,p2p networks,there are several exploits there too which enable them to be used as effective tools.
Not to mention those worms,underground sites et all.
Yeah, but only if you know what you're doing! And if you're on the ball too, you have to be practically sat in front of a screen reading newsgroup and IRC channels 24/7 to keep up with the most newly found vulnerabilities. Well, maybe 24/7 is a bit of an exaggeration but you get my point!
Like I said, it's easy enough to do a ddos but it's another thing entirely to do an effective ddos!
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Jools
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18 years does not really mean that you have done anything productive for the computer world, like most people dont do.
Did I claim to have done anything productive for the 'computer world'? You know nothing about what I've done. If you consider DDOS attacks (the subject of this thread) as "something productive for the computer world" then that says more about you than me.
Helping people turn on their macs or formating their hdds is not rocket science.
Again, did I say it was? And I do considerably more than that...
From the fact that you cant compile anything, means that you have not made any programs, or even coded much that is worth something.
You need to read my post properly... I didn't say I couldn't compile anything - I said I couldn't compile for BSD. I've never needed to.
You obviously have no idea about programming for a Mac. BSD (which you said all the DDOS tools can be compiled for) is the sub-system of OS X, which you don't even have to know about when writing most software for Mac OS X.
And yes, Macs are for less gifted computer people, thats how it is. PC's are for gaming, cad and other advanced features. Macs are used for mail, making movies, and some editing, but nothing out of the ordinary.
Gaming? An advanced feature? LOL! You seem to have forgotten about the creative industry, movies, special effects, compositing, animation, music, print, publishing, design...
Lets just say that nothing contributing to humanity is made on a mac, so no go on a space shuttle running mac os....
Viruses and malware are all great PC contributions to humanity aren't they? Does the Space Shuttle run on Windows then? I never knew... I always thought most of NASAs computers ran variations of UNIX (hang on, isn't that the basis of Mac OS X?)
i just have extensive knowledge for testing on my own servers and applications, since it is required to have any kind of successful site that wont come down with such a simple attack.
Oh, so now you have to have 'extensive knowledge' to combat 'simple attacks'? You previously claimed "anyone can do a DOS attack".
Anyway, as usual PC geek boys have turned this thread into a Mac-bashing thread, even though no Apple users actually said anything negative about PCs.
I just made the point that most Apple users wouldn't have the technical know-how to launch a successful DDOS attack (same as most Windows users wouldn't I guess). And just because M-R received an email claiming to be acting on behalf of Apple users, doesn't mean it was.
Clearly a bit of reason is lost on many people...
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