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For all P990i users now,what can you say about the phone? |
Jah
Joined: Jun 22, 2003
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@Jolitorax
never watch movies on a PDA or Smartphone - once you've used a PSP you wonder people bother with other devices for movies.
Please remember the P990 is not one-dimensional, its not just a device for movie playback.
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Spawn
Joined: Apr 25, 2003
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On 2006-08-31 15:16:02, Jolitorax wrote:
Have read some of the comments in this thread, and realize that the P990 I ordered has a big chance of ending up in a drawer together with other "old and useless" phones...
16 MB RAM? ROFL, my W900i has 470 MB internal memory, and never crashes. Why didn't SE put in a real chunk of RAM for the new flagship model? I don't get it.
Tried a friend's P990 yesterday. Stuffed my MSDUO Pro into it to try video playback. On my memstick I have some full length movies coded for W900i. Same QVGA resolution as the P990, clip size about 150 MB, should work, but dit it? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Big disappointment! Phone crashed and had to be booted. P990 is not a device for me. No way.
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Probably because the W900i isnt a SMARTPHONE  ...probably couldnt run half the apps the p990i can. The W900i is a one dimensional phone, i played with one and although its a nice phone, its definitely not something i would buy myself.
As Jah said you dont watch movies on a pda or phone, dont understand why people would want to anyways. |
ares
Joined: Dec 11, 2003
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From: Coimbra, Portugal
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On 2006-08-31 15:46:39, Spawn wrote:
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On 2006-08-31 15:16:02, Jolitorax wrote:
Have read some of the comments in this thread, and realize that the P990 I ordered has a big chance of ending up in a drawer together with other "old and useless" phones...
16 MB RAM? ROFL, my W900i has 470 MB internal memory, and never crashes. Why didn't SE put in a real chunk of RAM for the new flagship model? I don't get it.
Tried a friend's P990 yesterday. Stuffed my MSDUO Pro into it to try video playback. On my memstick I have some full length movies coded for W900i. Same QVGA resolution as the P990, clip size about 150 MB, should work, but dit it? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Big disappointment! Phone crashed and had to be booted. P990 is not a device for me. No way.
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Probably because the W900i isnt a SMARTPHONE ...probably couldnt run half the apps the p990i can. The W900i is a one dimensional phone, i played with one and although its a nice phone, its definitely not something i would buy myself.
As Jah said you dont watch movies on a pda or phone, dont understand why people would want to anyways.
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@jolitorax
1 - in fact P990 can play videos encoded at higher bitrates than w900, easily...
2 - I noticed how you mistaked w900 internal storage memory with RAM...please get your facts straight
3 - i watch tv series episodes on P990...no problem at all
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tkao2025
Joined: Jul 15, 2005
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From: NYC
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Just received my P990 yesterday. A few thoughts.
1. As soon as I received the P990, I updated firmware. So far, I have not had any problems with bugs or shut downs. I have to say I'm not a power user like some. Also, do people think they keep updating the same firmware, ironing out small problems? The new firmware will only come out with big updates? The reason is I haven't had any of the problems that I've read in a lot of posts.
2. Build quality is very good, the screen is better than M600i.
3. The A2DP and Mulimedia does not sound as nice as the M600 or the K800. It's the worst out of the 3, but still very good. It does need to be louder.
4. The Camera quality is good. A lot better than the Tytn that I have.
So far, it's been great. I have to play with it some more, but generally I think it's the best convergence device out there. Seems snappier and faster than my M600, but slower than the Tytn. Multimedia is better than the Tytn. Construction feels better than the Tytn as well.
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spine6
Joined: Aug 07, 2005
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From: asia
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Jolitorax
the w900i doesn't have a symbian OS not like the p990i. Second the w900i is a music phone not a SMARTPHONE as jah said. Third is the RAM is defferent from the internal storage. RAM is the memory that process the applications. But w900i is also a good phone that is my 2nd choice before the p990i. |
Jolitorax
Joined: Jul 31, 2003
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Being a SE P-phone user for four years I know the difference between a smartphone and "ordinary" phones like the W900i. Some of you tell me to get my facts straight when I compare the RAM of the P990 with the internal memory of the W900i... I'll try to clarify once more: Some of you earlier in this thread indicate that the P990 provide about 16 MB of RAM for applications, if I understood you right. Of course the P990 has a bit more memory alltogether, but obviously not enough. Then I pointed out that the W900 has 470 MB of INTERNAL MEMORY (not to be confused with RAM for running applications, of course), just to indicate that making phones with a bit more memory is not unknown to SE, and after the experiences with memory limitations in both the P800 and P900 - why SE once again makes a phone with similar limitations, well, that's what I don't understand. Anyway, we all hope the P990 will be a useful device in the end, but at least my first hands-on experience was very disappointing, with several crashes while performing some rather simple tasks. I suspect that the phone I tried had an early firmware, but still it was a phone that SE has sent to the market, promoted as a complete office and entertainment device etc etc, and it worries me that it really did not work! And when I say "did not work" I don't mean that it don't work at all, but imagine if a CAR had the same stability as the P990... it would be in the workshop most of the time, not working.
Of course, cellphone geeks like ourselves, who are online with SEUS daily and install new firmware all the time, we are prepared to live with the flaws of the new phone for a while, but many "office users", who buy a high-end device and expect it to work straight out of the box, will be very disappointed with the performance of the P990 if SE don't provide a "bugfree" firmware very soon. After all, it's been almost a year since the P990 was revealed to the market... one should think that SE had some time to sort things out by now. If it's not ok now, will it ever be?
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SL33PYH34D
Joined: Sep 06, 2004
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I'll try to clarify once more: Some of you earlier in this thread indicate that the P990 provide about 16 MB of RAM for applications, if I understood you right. Of course the P990 has a bit more memory alltogether, but obviously not enough. Then I pointed out that the W900 has 470 MB of INTERNAL MEMORY (not to be confused with RAM for running applications, of course), just to indicate that making phones with a bit more memory is not unknown to SE, and after the experiences with memory limitations in both the P800 and P900 - why SE once again makes a phone with similar limitations, well, that's what I don't understand. |
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Thanks for clarifying. I think in your original post it was not clear you were distinguising between RAM and flash storage.
Personally I think the low RAM problem on the P990i isn't directly SE's fault, although they have know about the issue for some while - maybe even long enough to have done something about it, but also possibly not.
Ultimately I believe the problem originates because UIQ3 runs in RAM whereas UIQ2.x ran with XIP (eXecute In Place), this meant that from the outset the RAM footprint of UIQ would have been significantly more than UIQ2.
Now the problem (which isn't unique to SE Symbian 9.1 devices, it equally applies to Nokia S60 Symbian 9.1 devices too which also have severe RAM issues) appears to be simply because Symbian have set the RAM requirements for their new OS too low. I'm sure 64Mb is probably enough for the core OS, but by the time you have added either the S60v3 or UIQ3 GUI on top 64Mb certainly appears to be inadequate.
Now I'm sure over the coming months there will be a lot done to improve the situation with better memory management and fine tuning (and juding by the way memory leaks on the P990i at the moment I think a huge amount can be done here), but ultimately more physical RAM is the ideal long term solution. |
twincam77
Joined: Jun 27, 2003
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On 2006-08-31 17:46:55, tkao2025 wrote:
Just received my P990 yesterday. A few thoughts.
3. The A2DP and Mulimedia does not sound as nice as the M600 or the K800. It's the worst out of the 3, but still very good. It does need to be louder.
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What stereo bt headset are you using?
I know that sound quality is pretty subjective but im using a HBH-DS970 with my p990i and the sound quality is excellent. Bass is present and channel separation is acceptable. My only complaint is that i wish it could be louder (although its not that soft really).
I was just using a W810i a while back and all i can say is that i dont miss my walkman phone. |
tjombe
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
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Hi!
First post......
I am close bying the 990, I had p800 and p900, on the p910 the inside keypad was so small. On the 990 they kind of look as small as the 910. I have normal hands, but when I tried in the store it looked like I had the whole alfabet under my thumb.... I use sms a lot so it would not be a problem with flip closed, but now I like to send more e-mail with the phone. Ok, I can use the stylus.
Are you guys using the inside keypad or?
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twincam77
Joined: Jun 27, 2003
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You can use stylus thru handwriting recognition or virtual keyboard.
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Jah
Joined: Jun 22, 2003
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@Jolitorax
Not all memory is the same. Flash memory cannot be used as RAM, its too slow. As sleepyhead said, the issue is a little more complicated than it appears - to do with Symbian 9.1 and architectural changes SE and Nokia have made to their Smartphones. But the result of all these changes has resulted in some dis-benefit for us users - ie even though the hardware specs have improved we've not seen any significant improvement as end users. |
tjombe
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
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twincam:
I use the virtual keybord on my ipaq, and it´s great. But the handwriting recognition never worked any good for me. I think p900 had it, but i never used it. I really want to use the inside one.... but I´m not convinced it will work for me.
Do you use the inside keypad? |
Osmano
Joined: Jul 22, 2006
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I'm using the qwerty keyboard. It's needs a bit practice but I think it's great. The biggest issue for me right now is the mediaplayer. I'm testing it right now and it seem to have problem with bigger mp4 files. The phone just crashes and I have to restart. I will try with smaller files see if that's the problem. Anyone who experience the same problem? |
twincam77
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On 2006-09-01 10:47:28, tjombe wrote:
twincam:
Do you use the inside keypad?
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I prefer the qwerty or handwriting recognition. |
Jolitorax
Joined: Jul 31, 2003
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Got my P990i today 
Charged it, played around with it for a little while and sent my first SMS... and the phone turned itself off - for no reason. After a while it lightened up again and told me it had decided to take a break to optimize itself. Yeah right, sending an SMS can really be a tough job, even for a smartphone! And the message was more than 160 characters too! I should have known... Anyway, I've got to check what SEUS can do for me. My P990 has firmware R4-something. As I said, the average office user would already be on his way to the service center, filled with anger and regret. Pushing this kind of crap to the market is going to hurt SE's reputation in the long run. | |
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