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Tervel
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@micks2005 - I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you right there. Sony's making peope choose which feature they like the Most and sacrifice all others. This is a poor decistion ESPECIALLY when it comes to Pictures and Video, since they more or less go hand in hand. SE didn't have to release a 640x480 video on this phone - all they ahd to do is release CIF quality and MOST everybody would have been happy. As you said, SE's releasing an H line of phones which will be Video (HandyCam?), I'm SURE they won't be limited to such low quality as CIF, if they are, SE has lost that front all together! They BETTER be at LEAST 640x480, and if so, giving the K series (CyberShot) CIF quality would have NOT competed with the H series. Needless to say, there is NO H series as of YET, and Nokia has multiple phones capable of At least CIF quality.
SE - you've screwed up here. And if you continue making people choose between features (by offering ONLY the lowest subset), you WILL loose customers.
Just to recap - ALL SE had to do is give the K-series phones CIF quality video capture.
@SloopJohnB - The pics are not necessaraly out of focus, I think it's mostly that the Fixed F-stop (aperature) on this camera is set to 1:2.8, which makes for very shallow Depth of Field on arial shots, which results in soft focus in majority of the shot, except for the one item/subject which is actually in focus. This would be the case with ANY fixed aperature camera out there (especially if it's set to F/2.
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shaliron
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But isn't the K800 AUTOfocus, not FIXED focus?
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Tervel
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It is Auto Focus, however it is Fixed F-stop, also known as Aperature. The aperature in a camera determines the amount of light that gets to the sensor, and the depth of field of the shot. Depth of Field means (simplified) how much of the picture is in focus. If you are shooting a fairly flat surface, you won't notice anything out of focus, however if you are shooting a picture of multiple objects which are at different distance from you (such as taking a picture of a line of cars down the street) at F2.8 only a portion of the picture will be in full focus. This is a sacrifice that has to be made to allow more light in the sensor. Normal digital cameras have between 3 and 7 F-stops (the higher the number is, the 'deeper' the focus will be, and the less amount of light will get to the sensor). |
etaab
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@ micks2005 - and its a very stupid idea. Sure, market the phones to different types of consumers, give them different looks, slightly exclusive features (like the Walkman media player over the standard K750i media player), but they should not leave brand new phones with old out of date features. Its completely ridiculous.
The Samsung D600 has been out months now, since autumn last year and it has (if i remember correctly) QVGA video recording resolution. Anything less than QVGA video recording in a brand new summer 2006 3.2mp cameraphone is totally unacceptable IMO. 
Sure, SE could save VGA resolutions, stereo sound and 30fps for their "H" series, and give other phones QVGA mono 15fps video which would have kept me happy with the K800i, but paltry QCIF is a complete and utter joke.
SE's choice of forcing people to choose which features they want the most and sacrificing others might sound like a good idea to some people, but i ask those people who do think so would they expect to pay the same price for the phone as they would another manufacturers that does have all the latest features included in a single handset ? if you think of it that way, i bet they would not unless they have money to burn.
So, can we expect SE releasing handsets which are (i guess) 25% cheaper than their all-in-one rivals ? not a chance, they'll expect the consumer to pay similar prices to other phones but theirs will have much older, lesser, out of date features. 
Ive never once been biased towards SE or any other phone manufacturer, so buying a Nokia or Samsung alternative comes as no difficult decision to me.
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jasond
Joined: Dec 31, 2005
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The official SE website (Australia) now reflects the new front without Cybershot 'sticker.' :
http://www.sonyericsson.com/s[....]1_1_1&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10407
Interestingly, a lot of the other photos on the site still display the original 'sticker' version.
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vegetaleb
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Someone knows if the K800 will be capable of playing videos in the 240*320 format and how would be the bitrate?
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cristiano
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dose it have megabass??????
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datx
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etaab i agree with you, the video resolution is indeed too small, but there's an advantage with "specialized phones" they become cheaper and remember that most people buy mid-end phones not high end with all sorts of technologies so with specialized phones u get cheaper phones with the latest technology u want and value...
That strategy is perfect for me as i wont be able to afford something like an n93, even if it is as good as it is
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Yanosh94
Joined: Jul 30, 2004
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From: Paris France
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The K790i/K800i can play vidéo at 320x240 résolution.
Normally they have Megabass équalizer
But anyone know what is the memory card size féatured in the box ??? Rumour talk about 512mo or 1go |
slikr
Joined: Oct 05, 2002
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K800 is out in HK!!! |
emanuelj
Joined: Jan 17, 2003
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From: Sweden
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Are you absolutly sure?
Can you show us some pics? maybe from a shop or an advert?
how do you know that it is released?
Please tell us more! |
>500
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this is a listing from ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-So[....]egoryZ3312QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
power seller located in Hong kong, i wonder, do people think its real? If this listing is genuine than it should be availablein in HK as said above. |
micks2005
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
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@Tervel & @etaab:--> Well dude couldn't agree with you more but as I mentioned before it is the choice of Miles Flint, SE President that they want to make there fones specialized in nature, where one feat. is like way better then the other.
As well like the yr isn't ova yet as look you still have 3GSM Congress in Sept. in Singapore so lets see what SE unveils then shall we. As well as far as the whole cybershot thing goes SE would have a plan in mind that's why they I guess went with QCIF recording. Perhaps an ugrade to the K800i would be in order.
As you look at it, the K series releases 1 fone per yr where as the other series releases are like 2-3 per yr. So perhaps another K series model is in the works and would have what you want in it. But that is mere speculation so lets see what SE is planning. As next yr there cybershot fones would be with 3X Optical Zoom and 20X digital zoom in a nice sleek candybar design along with everything else the K800i has to offer.
As well right now no fone offers you what the K800i offers you with just one drawback, the video apparatus which I bet SE would take into account for the later models.
As well if mem. serves me, SE where the ones to bring out QVGA Rec. at 30Fps with there W900i fone, haven't seen any fone before that with that capacity of rec. So just chill and wait.
Just now you have to wait for the video, so lets see, they yr isn't over yet.
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solja786
Joined: May 30, 2006
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I was wondering if anybody knos wat will b included in the box officially..i was hopin for hpm-70 head phones and at the minimum a 64 mb memory card..so can anyone tell me da exact details on dat.
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hellogoodbye
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yes I am interested in that too can anybody tell this??? 
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