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PeterKay
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Chapter 31 Verses 10 and 11 from The Final Revelation states:
He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs.
Such is the Creation of Allah. now show Me what is there that others besides Him have created: nay, but the Transgressors are in manifest error.
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PeterKay
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How lucky are us Muslims to have a revelation such as the Holy Quran, but do we appreciate what we have? The words are so pure, unique and true but we fail to understand due to our lack of knowledge and understanding.
The Creator of Mankind, Almighty Allah has told us the past, present and the future as only He can tell us for he is the One who created us all. To Him this Universe belongs and to Him is the final return for us ALL whether Muslim or not.
Chapter 23 Verses 111-118 from The Holy Quran states:
"I have rewarded them this Day for their patience and constancy, they are indeed the ones that have achieved Bliss"
He will say: "What number of years did ye stay on earth?"
They will say: "We stayed a day or part of a day: but ask those who keep account."
He will say: "Ye stayed not but a little, if ye had only known!
"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us for account?"
Therefore exalted be Allah, the King, the Reality: there is no god but He, the Lord of the Throne of Honour!
If anyone invokes, besides Allah, Any other god, he has no authority therefor; and his reckoning will be only with his Lord! and verily the Unbelievers will fail to win through!
So say: "O my Lord! grant Thou forgiveness and mercy for Thou art the Best of those who show mercy!"
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PeterKay
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The Last Sermon from Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) can be found HERE.
O People, it is true that you have certain rights over your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under God's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Treat your women well and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers. It is your right and they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste...
O People, listen to me in earnest, worship God (The One Creator of the Universe), perform your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your financial obligation (zakah) of your wealth. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
Read more from the link posted above.
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Chapter 45 Verses 26-29 from The Glorious Quran states:
Say: "It is Allah Who gives you life, then gives you death; then He will gather you together for the Day of Judgment about which there is no doubt": But most men do not understand.
To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and the Day that the Hour of Judgment is established,- that Day will the dealers in Falsehood perish!
And thou wilt see every sect bowing the knee: Every sect will be called to its Record: "This Day shall ye be recompensed for all that ye did!
"This Our Record speaks about you with truth: We have been recording everything you did.."
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PeterKay
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More on the character of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him):
If the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) abused anybody, he used to give him compensation and show him kindness. He did never curse any woman or slave. Once when he was in the battle field, he was asked: O Messenger of Allah, it would have been better if you had cursed them. He said: Allah sent me as a mercy and not as a great curser. When he was asked once to curse a particular person or an unbeliever, he did not curse him but on the contrary prayed for his welfare. He never beat anybody with his own hand except in the way of Allah. he did not take any revenge for personal wrongs but he used to take it for preservation of the honour of Allah.
He used to select the easier of two things and kept away if there was any sin there in or anything to cut off relationship. He used to fulfill the needs of anyone who required his help, whether a slave or a freeman. Anas (Radhiallahho Anho) said: By One who sent him as a Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam), he never said to me. Why have you done this or why have you not done this? His wives also did not rebuke me. If there was any bed of the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam), he used to sleep on it or else he used to sleep on the ground. Allah described the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) in the Torah Muhammad the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) of Allah, His chosen servant, without harshness, not roaming in the streets, not returning evil for evil. He is prone to pardon. He is forgiven. His birth is at Mecca, his migration to Ta’ba and his reign in Syria. He and his companions put on Ijar around their waists and call towards the Quran and wisdom. He makes ablution of his bodily limbs. Similar is his description in Injil (New Testament).
Another trait of his characters is that he used to salute first one whom he met with. He used to wait at a place where he was to meet a man. He used not to withdraw his hand from anybody till he first withdrew his hand. When he met with any of his companions, he used to handshake with him, hold his hand, enter his fingers unto his fingers and hold them firmly. He did not stand up or sit without remembering Allah. When anybody sat by him at the time of his prayer, he used to make it short and say to him: Have you got any need? When he fulfilled his need, he returned to his prayer.
More on the Manners and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) can be found in detail HERE.
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-09-13 08:18:35, 786KBR wrote:
I personally dont believe he did it, but im not starting that again, I guess hes one of the only famous/wealthy people that still practise Islam whole heartedly... just my reason I used him.
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I can think of better people to give as an example of a good Muslim. Personally I don't view bin Laden as a Muslim, someone who spreads as much suffering and pain as he does isn't compatible with the teachings of the Prophet Muhammed in my eyes.
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PeterKay
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@scotsboyuk, Agree with you there 110%.
A person who does NOT follow the teachings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and does not follow the guidelines in The Holy Quran is not a true Muslim.
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pleber
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Yes, but he believes he IS following the Quran, and that he is carrying out a holy war that the Quran teaches. It could be his opinion that the people on this board that live and abide by the laws of western countries (i.e. The UK, who have invaded a Muslim country) are not true Muslims...
It’s all a matter of opinion and interpretation at the end of the day...
I mean, would Allah really want you paying tax to the U.K. goverment, knowing that that tax is used to fund the U.K. invading a Muslim country and killing thousands of innocents in it? |
PeterKay
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Yes, Islam tells us to abide and follow the law of the country we live in. If they misuse what we pay them then they will answer for it.
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PeterKay
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Chapter 7 Verse 204-207 from The final revelation states:
When the Quran is read, listen to it with attention, and hold your peace: that ye may receive Mercy.
And do thou O reader! Bring thy Lord to remembrance in thy very soul, with humility and in reverence, without loudness in words, in the mornings and evenings; and be not thou of those who are unheedful.
Those who are near to thy Lord, disdain not to do Him worship: They celebrate His praises, and bow down before Him.
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pleber
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Yes, you abide by the laws of the country, but only up to the point where it does not conflict with God's (Allah's) word.
Everyone is responsible for themselves- so how can you, a Muslim, give money to a power that is invading a Muslim country and killing citizens of that country, and then say "well, I have to follow the law- its their fault"
You can't put man's laws above God's, can you? |
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Mans law cannot be place above Gods law, thats true. But we must live in Peace and follow the laws of the land as well as the religious law. But one thing we should all remember, the country may have a leader and a law but that country belongs to the creator of mankind Almighty Allah. Whatever he wills he can do and whatever he decides is final for he is our creator and sustainer.
Verse 255 from Chapter 2 states:
Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what appeareth to His creatures as before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme in glory.
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pleber
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Yes, thats all very well, but you pay tax (I presume) - so can I also presume that you don't believe the invasion of Iraq to be against God's law?
Because if the invasion is wrong, i.e., against God's law, then as a Muslim you would be obliged to place God's law ABOVE the country's law, and thus not help pay for the invasion... right?
What I'm asking is, do you believe the invasion of Iraq to be contrary to God's law? |
PeterKay
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I don't think what's happening in Iraq is right and many things this government do is wrong but as i am British i must follow the british colony and rules. Like i said before what they do with my money they will be questioned for on the day of judgement.
At the same time, i am not breaking Gods law as i am following the laws of the land and the laws of Islam without fail. I am not the one killing innocent lives and i am not the one who makes the country go to war. I pay my Tax and will do all my life but that does not mean i am breaking Gods law.
@pleber, can you tell me what the bible says about kiling innocent humans like what the british and americans are doing in Iraq?
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scotsboyuk
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@pleber
The taxes that we pay also go towards the NHS, which heals the sick. Our taxes also go towards giving aid to poor countries. Taxes fund many things, both good and bad.
The government does things, which are not in keeping with my beliefs, but that does not mean that my beliefs should be followed to the letter when there are approximately sixty million other people to think of on this island. This isn't a theocracy, one is British first and religious second, one is expected to obey the secular law first and foremost.
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