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Supa_Fly
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On 2008-06-27 21:47:41, Raiderski wrote:
no no! I believe in Java based OS or at least OS+JVM on equal privileges (this would be nice). well, SE is going in right direction - they really believe in J2ME
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[ This Message was edited by: Raiderski on 2008-06-27 20:47 ]
Indeed! They've done excellent thus far, I'm hoping that OS+JVM on Equal priviledges becomes the next phase from  .
Has anyone done a review on the C905 pre-production model yet?! Specifically on the Calendar - if improved - or on any other aspect besides a minor feature bump?!
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@Raidersky Nice to have you in here  I like your 'way of thinking'. Do you see java applications to be as good/effective/powerfull as S60 ones? At the moment even my old 7650 runs native apps better then the best java. On my N73 I have 3 java programs stored in 'Javacrap' folder Nice to hear about java improving. I very much doubt they will ever be as good as applications running in C++/assembly.
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On 2008-06-28 03:37:53, mario2004 wrote:
@Raidersky Nice to have you in here I like your 'way of thinking'. Do you see java applications to be as good/effective/powerfull as S60 ones? At the moment even my old 7650 runs native apps better then the best java. On my N73 I have 3 java programs stored in 'Javacrap' folder Nice to hear about java improving. I very much doubt they will ever be as good as applications running in C++/assembly.
Greetings from South Africa bud
Hey what about me?! No love for me?! Was it not I that brought out the conversation and insight of Raidersky?! I like how he thinks too - hoping your a he and I didn't make a major mistake - and Its GOOD to see Java programmers participate in conversation here as it really helps us understand what they face and also what news will affect us. We help with maybe/hopefully giving them a target market and ideas for new apps and new paradigms in how we use our phones.
I'm not sure how S60 uses the J2ME applications or if their JVM is as good as 's, but it doesn't seem so. It's been TOO long since I've used S60 and will again later this summer - not sure if its been improved. I think C++ offers so much more in terms of applications on S60 but I don't think J2ME has limits in offering the same compatibility by nature of the code - I really don't know only from what I see of apps on BlackBerry - but maybe its in the JVM used. Raidersky, care to chime in to correct me/us on this topic, please?!
Sry to mods if they feel recent posts may not be relative to the C905 - but I feel its important so that we understand more of how SE's JVM is used. Also any other coders, and to Raidersky too, are beginning to code soon with Capuchin in mind?!
Thanks all.
EDIT: PS: Maybe more Java type questions, in general towards all phones, maybe better carried in this thread?
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=160466&start=0
Sry again, just trying to help out the Mods. And not tee off ppl wanting specific conversation towards the C905 - I know Masseur will be like shame on you Prom1 for carrying on in here, you know better. hehe.
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mario2004
if you doubt... you have right. programming for Symbian I can describe as "freedom", Java is far far away from this style and speed of working application (in this case it's not that bad). never say "never"  however Java is much more programmer friendly for beginners
one thing to note: I really hate implementations of APIs with "dead" methods, small example: changing quality of captured picture from camera. method exist but doesn't work for K800
even "symbianized" Nokia don't forget about Java but they don't see reason to create from JVM something more than JVM only. I understand them because they know what to do with Symbian
if we look further at Android, it support Java applications right now
is Java the right direction? I think so
ok, we're going oftopic
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i have never seen some benefit with example Symbian S60. (except that you can install millions of third-parts programs, if you have some need for that).
S60 runs slower (compared to a full working Java),
cant run flash themes,
more unlogic Interface(meny)-design (takes ages to find something compared to Java),
more ugly Interface(meny)-design,
cant show full size wallpaper............and so on.
very excited about C905 new Java platform10 (JP10)
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On 2008-06-28 11:13:10, plankgatan wrote:
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S60 runs slower (compared to a full working Java),
cant run flash themes,
more unlogic Interface(meny)-design (takes ages to find something compared to Java),
more ugly Interface(meny)-design,
cant show full size wallpaper............and so on.
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-06-28 10:15 ]
So you like bananas better than a red Ferrari?
That comparison makes about as much sense as your post... |
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S60 is very good software platform (whole Symbian is). you don't like it because you didn't used S60 too much probably or you used it in N70, besides you are accustomed to SE UI. of course S60 menu is "bigger" but I can't find nothing complicated in it
S60 runs slower (compared to a full working Java)
wait... I see big misunderstanding here. S60 is main platform in the phone, Java (JVM) is not main phone's platform. so, you are talking about two different things. besides try to compare speed of Symbian application (game) and J2ME... there's no mercy for Java
very excited about C905 new Java platform10 (JP10)
SE official statement: Shiho will be equipped with JP8.4
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if im nt wrong , k850 lacked the sleep mode clock ? was this updated with the new firmware can sum1 confirm this.
also darknoob does c905 has the sleep mode clock
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On 2008-06-28 12:10:52, Raiderski wrote:
very excited about C905 new Java platform10 (JP10)
SE official statement: Shiho will be equipped with JP8.4
what ????????
i really doubt sonyericsson go back to java platform8 (k800, etc, etc). specially when K850 use Java platform9..............
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Raiderski
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i really doubt sonyericsson go back to java platform8 (k800, etc, etc). specially when K850 use Java platform9..............
Plank, sometimes I think that you are from different world...
1. K850 have JP8 branch (JP8.2.1 in R1FA firmware)
2. K800 have JP7 branch
3. JP9 doesn't exist yet
4. JP10 is only temporary name or faulty name
5. let the facts speak... http://tinyurl.com/3nu4am
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also darknoob does c905 has the sleep mode clock
good question, this basic feature that saves a keypress and allows event notification should be back in all new phones. more precisely, it should have never been removed. seeing the logic behind its removal is beyond me, but apparently it's not just me.
cheers!
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@mobse
totally agree with u .. its a very handy function that i still enjoy in my k800 .. lets hope its available in the c905 and darknoob should be able to confirm this
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Hopefully they bring the sleep clock back. I still use my K790 and thats a nice feature to have |
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i'd like to see sleep mode clock back,miss it on my k850 |
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