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jcwhite_uk
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On 2005-04-25 20:11:57, Yazan24 wrote:
I thought the facts were obvious
S700 not the first 1.3 MP Cam of its time
-Several other Phones eg. N7610-
The S700i was the first camera phone that used a 1.3MP CCD reciever to produce a better quality pics than other 1.3mp camera phones.
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On 2005-04-26 01:23:15, S4k1s wrote:
P800 is not a ericsson product. Ericsson had prototypes.. still don't make P800 a Ericsson phone like T68..
and yes mm matters ... look att T610 hardware and compare it to any nokia from T610 release date and 1 year on .. screen size .. resolution .. bt .. voicememo .. voicecall .. it knocked every phone for over 6 months! .. since you wanted to talk facts .. T610 is 2mm smaller and yes it counts, but the point is look beneath the shell 
If you want to talk, first go get release dates of the phones .. and specs.
and since when was innovative same as extraordinary?
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The P800 was released as an SE phone but Ericsson did most of the developing before they became SE. Iwould say that it is a SE phone but the innovation is all down to Ericsson as they did most of the work before Sony came on board.
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S4k1s
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On 2005-04-23 17:08:01, Yazan24 wrote:
Sure they provide quality handsets, which have innovative aesthetics, but theyve never introduced a totally new innovative feature.
Ericsson did, Bluetooth, and Color screens. (Not only 4 color)
However Sony Ericsson arent much of innovators, which is surprising as both companies are innovators on their own, but the venture isnt as prosperous
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[ This Message was edited by: Yazan24 on 2005-04-23 16:30 ]
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Yazan24 you are so stupid ... this is not innovative ... that is not innovative ... this is not extraordinary ...
How is a color screen EXTRAORDINARY?
How is a Phone with a Pen EXTRAORDINARY?
It's not even slight innovative, first is just a minor upgrade and the second is just putting 2 things together ...
You put a pen+phone together and you think it's EXTRAORDINARY ...
You put a phone+camera+mp3player+BT+BiG 260k color screen+radio+lots of other stuff in a small slick case .. and what do we get? A pathetic not innovating little phone according to you... makes me wanna 
[ This Message was edited by: S4k1s on 2005-04-26 14:41 ] |
Yazan24
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Its not just a pen phone, if that was what it was Id have an innovation by combining a pen and a phone with tape, its a phone which is in the shape of a pen, and u can write sms using the pen on any surface, its innovative just impractical.
The MP3 in phone concept is an old one, the first phone to play music would be considered an innovation, the high res screens is also an old thing and its a small jump from the rest, a color screen is innovative because theres nothing like it on the market, at all, the 4 screen thing was nothing ok red blue green etc. But with the T68 you could have color backgrounds etc,
Dont call me stupid because I know what Im talking abt, dont try an insult me when u dont have an argument.
Let me summarize what I said for you, since you cannot grasp it as fast as others because I said it 20 times already.
Color Screen-> Innovative, totally new idea (16 colors capable of backgrounds etc) Nothing like it on market.
Pen-> Nothing similar on market,
Both are not ordinary devices, and what is something thats not ordinary??? EXTRAORDINARY.
SEE LEARNING IS FUN.
MP3 in Phone-> Been there done that got the tshirt,
High res screens, we're already capable of having backgrounds etc with our regular screens, what does a high res screen bring thats new besides clarity?
Etc.
Now please STFU and let the grown ups talk.
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S4k1s
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ROFLMAO
4 colors -> 16 colors is an UPGRADE not something EXTRAORDINARY
"Pen-> Nothing similar on market, "
Yeah right, you have pens on the market + you have phones .. 2 products combined == Not Innovative.
"Dont call me stupid because I know what Im talking abt, dont try an insult me when u dont have an argument. "
You said Nokia 7250 was smaller than T610 ..
"and STFU"? WTF do u think you'r talking to, your mom?
"let the grown ups talk"? way to go you grown up, thinking that showing a background is innovative
MAC having backgrounds and graphic GUI + mouse back in 1992 == EXTRAORDINARY, not Ericsson having BG in phones 2003..
"since you cannot grasp it as fast as others"? heh
Try to grasp this my friend ...
From what you saying when a copmany other that SE combines 2 EXISTING things, lets say a ... pen and a phone, it makes them innovative ... but when SE combines 2 things it makes them pathetic ..
"Color Screen-> Innovative, totally new idea (16 colors capable of backgrounds etc) Nothing like it on market. "
I still can't let this go .. 16 colors is innovative
My Casio calculator had Color Screen back in 1997
Anything you can come up with as EXTRAORDINARY I can shoot it down just like that .. cuz what is Innovative to YOU might be crap to ME and vise versa.
First time I replied to your msg was cuz you said TheCell didn't have braincells, Only cuz he thought some things is innovative and you didn't.
You got personal with him and then with me. I could drag this conversation along untill Esato bans me just to show u how stupid you are.
I guess we all have different levels of what we see as Innovative .. but then we must use same judgement on everything.
Now some one making a device to slap you over the net == Innovative, EXTRAORDINARY |
vivek_h
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have you ever thought...
taht  dint release a 3d motion phone cause its a shit idea..no point in making a phone that does stuff when u move it...
why make an innovation when its of no point at all..thats not an innovation..its just a waste of money and time...
samsung...are losers..they are making all these 5mp, 7mp phones...why..cause they are losing out on the camera cell market.....so they just jumped to 7 mp..u think any other manufacturer cant do that?..sony with its cybershot experience can do that anyday....but why dint they...cause they are business minded..not out there for to have fun...they gonna make the most of eevry step in the cameras thouroughly...
and yazan my mate...the 7610 aint got a 1.3 mp camera...its got a 1 mp camera
do ur homework before u make ur claims...
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slattery69
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samsung...are losers..they are making all these 5mp, 7mp phones...why..cause they are losing out on the camera cell market.....so they just jumped to 7 mp..u think any other manufacturer cant do that?..sony with its cybershot experience can do that anyday....but why dint they...cause they are business minded..not out there for to have fun...they gonna make the most of eevry step in the cameras thouroughly...
is this why with all se experience they couldnt make a decent cam phone till the k700 and in reality only have 2 good cam phones out the k700 and the s700.
if you think se are innovitive fine if you dont fine, but really this thread shouldnt be getting personnal and slagging each other off.
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bart
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the platform that SE uses for there phones is made by ericsson, remeber that, the platform it self has got much more potential and features that SE uses (wants to use).
ericsson (together with psion and nokia) invented symbian, thats something new, i would call it innovation.
a flipphone with touchscreen (before the motorola accomplia 008) its called innovation. ericsson has got over 100 patents and some of them are used in several phones.
and if size does matter what about the T66? that was a very small one, SE's T600/T200/T100/T105 where much bigger.
the only thing wi'll be seeing that S added in the future is new pda's running on palm OS. why? sony has decided to put its CLIE line in hands of SE, so SE would also have the right to use palm OS. devices with linux will be lauched aswell, the first one is the ROB-1 (thats inovatoin, but its an acc, and thats rather easy to innovate).
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vivek_h
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@slattery69..
my argument is not that se are innovative..
i just dont like the way yazan is dissing every thign that se made as being non innovative......
does he mean to say that se are the worst brand in the mobile scene? i mean..he comes to a site for se...then he starts sayin se sucks...i mean comeon...what kinda response du u expect....
and all this bout ericsson being the innovator and not sony...i dont see how it makes sense...ericsson is now 'sony ericsson'... so they can only add to their innovations...doesnt anyone notice that ericsson still exists?
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thecell
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Yazan24
- T610 not the smallest camera phone of its time.
It was smallest and with large screen and bluetooth.
- K700 not the smallest Vid Cam of its time
Even K700i smaller than T610, which phone had unlimited video recording smaller than K700i
- S700 not the first 1.3 MP Cam of its time
I didn't say it has 1st 1.3mp CAm, i say it really looks like a real camera phone, it design looks like camera and it CCD and Sony implement their digital camera technology and design on S700i.
- P910 based on P800 an ericsson product.
Yeah, if P800 not SE, you will never see jogdial on it.
- K600i Smallest 3G phone isnt an innovation
U think it easy to make a 3G high tech phone on small size ??
- W800 walkman phone WOW, now our phone plays music, oh wait, didnt we already have that.
It special cause it ability to turn off the phone and run the walkman featured, SE will never call this phone "Walkman" if it doesn't have different to other music phones. |
slattery69
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i wasnt having a pop at you over it just both side should be able to argue without name calling. i noticed you managed and bart from the opssing view managed to present there arguements without having a personal digs and long may that continue.
nothing wrong with people having opposite opinions thats what makes these boards interesting  the personal attacks aint intesresting |
thecell
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Yazan
May i ask you what the innovation that u really want to see from SE, please give a little example. |
slattery69
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i must confess i dont think the w800 is anything more than great marketing it doesnt do much that a normal phone with built in mp3 player can do appart from flight mode. which alot of airlines dont give a monkeys about they just tell you to turn it off.
its very innoviative from a marketing stand point at the end of the day i think you buy what suits you i can see where yazan is coming from but i can see the other side and how people can be wowed by certain things |
S4k1s
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slattery69 I guess I got personal to
But it is things like _this_ that makes me angry!
"Oh and biodegrable phones arent innovative, they utilize existing technology (biodegradable plastics) and implement them in phones, and itll probably only be available to Japan, so its not that important. "
The guy p00ps at everything SE does as non innovative!
I don't say SE is most innovative brand or that I love SE to death .. u can check my comments on other treads here about what I think is good/bad about SE..
But plZz, Yazan24 say "they utilize existing technology ... and implement them in phones" << this kind of stuff is what I think is so stupid with his comments. According to this comment _nothing_ SE, Nokia, Moto or any other company will make is innovative, but still for Yazan24, combining a PEN (existing technology) with a PHONE (existing technology) ... (pen implemented in phone) is EXTRAORDINARY
Pen Phone is Innovative .. biodegrable phones arent innovative..
I read this tread and I laugh
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