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Flying Finn
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"do not hesitate"
lol
anyway.. Arne Anka's nick would indicate he's from Sweden.  I think it's the Swedish built-in problem with Nokia we have in question here 
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Arne Anka
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On 2003-11-19 10:51:34, orange wrote:
You don't have to be business genius to decide whether you make pirate batteries for vendor who have about 40% marketshare or for the vendor who have 5% marketshare. It's the volume that counts.
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No and you don't have to be business genius to figure out that the market share on the mobile market does not necessary reflect the market share on the pirate battery market. The exchange rate may be higher for other brands than for Nokia. You don't know that.
However, there are enough non Nokia pirate batteries out there and if you view at the non Nokia batteries as a group it should clearly be visible in the statistics whether they explode or not.
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On 2003-11-19 10:51:34, orange wrote:
And I'm pretty sure that there's similar accidents happened with other vendors also,
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It may be true, but until proven Nokia is still more dangerous than other brands.
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On 2003-11-19 10:51:34, orange wrote:
but nobody really cares, if it happens to some vendor with minimal marketshare.
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Realy. I would say > 60% of mobile users would care.
To quote your own words, it's the volume that counts.
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On 2003-11-19 10:51:34, orange wrote:
If you buy a Nokia phone, it will always come with safe original Nokia battery.
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Yes it will, but they also explode. A lady in Norway had a 3 month old Nokia 3510i wihich also exploded (well, melted down to be more correct) and the battery used was the one included in the package from Nokia.
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On 2003-11-19 10:51:34, orange wrote:
Some vendors have problems even with their original products in the sales pack, e.g. chargers...
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But they don't explode, do they ?
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On 2003-11-19 11:02:41, Flying Finn wrote:
"do not hesitate"
lol
anyway.. Arne Anka's nick would indicate he's from Sweden. I think it's the Swedish built-in problem with Nokia we have in question here
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Not more than we have a Finnish built-in problem with SE. But strange enough I actually have a Nokia as my current phone and I intend to keep it until it falls apart (it is not far from that by the way). 3 year ago when I bought my Nokia 8850 there were no good Ericsson phones out there. Now it is a different storry.
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ppcrockar
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Yes and SE handled the faulty chargers in a much more sensible way. They recalled the faulty chargers and admitted there was a fault. Nokia just denies everything. Just like they did for over 1 year with the faulty screens and then suddenly they admitted the problems.
And yes the Norway incident was a 3 month old Nokia which used an original battery included with the phone when bought. Don't say that it only happens to pirate batteries because that simple isn't true. |
Flying Finn
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Look at my signature. I'm thinking of getting a T610 if I face problems with my N-Gage (although a certain thread put me off a bit). |
Vlammetje
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there is no sig in your post tho... 
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Leks
Joined: Jan 12, 2003
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I dont think I go to school tomorrow...there is hundreds of 3310!
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turyuk
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How far should I stay away from nokiyas?
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Arne Anka
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On 2003-11-19 22:18:34, turyuk wrote:
How far should I stay away from nokiyas?
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The safest place is probably a military bunker.
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sn3ipen
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And make shure you dont have friends with a nokia inside the bunker
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dragontrumpetare
Joined: Dec 03, 2002
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On 2003-11-19 23:39:55, t610 owner wrote:
And make shure you dont have friends with a nokia inside the bunker
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Well...listen to him.... You will be all dead if they are in the same bunker...
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dimitrivd
Joined: Apr 15, 2002
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Translation of the Test-Aankoop text on there website
http://www.testaankoop.be/newsflash/fs_newsflash.asp?ref_id=7-1&nodeid=289501
Exploding Nokia Bats.
The consumer can't make any differance between the original and non-original Nokia Batterys.
History
An amount of Batterys sold under the companyname Nokia, had caused accidents worldwide (named exposions).
Test-Aankoop buyed Nokia Batterys in mobile shops and mega elektro stores. Anominous like every custumer does,
en let the batterys for a test in an undepended Lab. The results of the tests where presented at the press on Friday 7th of november 2003.
The conclusion? In an amount of batterys for Nokia mobiles was not protected against shortcircuiting.
During the meeting on w. 12 november 2003 between representors of Test-Aankoop and Nokia Corporation,
the multunational sayed there are some fake batterys on the market. Nokia says that was the
only possible explenation; only the pirate-batterys are responsible for the accidents.
The Nokia-people even brought some 'pirate-batterys' with them. They where complete identical to the Original
Nokia-Batterys: Iddentical packaging, blister and battery. Completely the same? No. The difference
could only be seen when the Nokia-manager opened the battery. It has not to be said that these are handelings a normal customer doesnt do.
And testing again.
Test-Aankoop descided to go testing again, and this exceptionally in precense of
Nokia-people. This happened on monday 17th of november 2003 and was done by
the responcible of the undepended labatorium. Wat was tested? On the one side batterys Test-Aankoop
may have selected at random in the distributioncenter of Nokia (acording to Nokia "real original Nokia-batterys").
On the other hadn again batterys who Test-Aankoop - just like any other custumer should do - buyed themself at mobileshops and
mega-elektrostores, who where clearly sold under the reconiseble Nokia-label.
The Results then.
The same 3 catagorys batterys where tested again; de Ni-MH batterys BML-3 and BMC-3
and the Lithium-ion Battery BLC-2. Al these batterys had the Nokia-label.
Our experiences:
- Nokia BMC-3: in total, there where 11 batterys tested.
- 5 from the Nokia-distributioncenter: they where all secured.
- 4 buyed by Test-Aankoop togheter with a mobile phone. They where also all secured.
- 2 single batterys buyed by Test-Aankoop: both secured.
- Nokia BML-3: in total 6 batterys where tested.
- 2 from the Nokia-distributioncenter: both secured.
- 4 buyed by Test-Aankoop 3 of 4 had no shorcircuiting protection.
- Nokia BLC-2; in totla 9 batterys where tested
- 4 from the Nokia distributioncenter; all 4 secured
- 5 buyed by Test-Aankoop; 4 of the 5 had no shorcircuiting protection.
So, the results of earlier test By Test-Aankoop where confirmed.
What are the consecuences of no shorcircuiting protection?
in case of a shortcut, the battery should deliver a to high current, by that the
temperature whould rise enormious. During the labo-tests Test-Aankoop messured
temperatures to 130°C on the surface of the batterys. At the end the battery will burn trough,
sometimes she can crack open, and flameble liquids (ect clothing) can catch fire and become
fisical injuries to persons. So, a shortcut protection is nescesary for the safety.
Poin:
The "Real original Nokia batterys" from the Nokia distribution center seem to be secured.
A large number of batterys sold in the shops under the name of Nokia, have no protection for shorcircuiting.
The consument is unable to see the difference between original and non-original Nokia batterys, thinking it are original Nokia-batterys.
Test-Aankoop says that Nokia should take his responsibilitys. The consumer-organisation askes some questions:
1- What will Nokia do to avoid such risks in the future?
2. How can consumers be sure they buy an safe battery?
3. What can custumers do in case they have doubts ablout these batterys?
Test-Aankoop expects some answers in a few days of Nokia.
http://www.testaankoop.be/newsflash/fs_newsflash.asp?ref_id=7-1&nodeid=289501
The text before the 21th of november was not that mild for Nokia.
Owner of a T68 since December '01. - SURF FIREFOX |
MaThIbUs
Joined: May 17, 2003
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but theyre right!
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Matteus
Joined: Oct 20, 2002
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http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]07/nokia-n76-problems-en.shtml
Pity for poor people using money for bad quality! |
razec
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
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Theres another one:
http://xpressmusic.wordpress.[....]nokia-n91-cell-phone-explodes/
My fellow Filipino Phone user got an almostly near-death disaster when her genuine(as stated by the poor victim) Nokia N91 battery exploded causing burns on her pillow after being used to kill the fire created by the explosion.
10 years at Esato |
strizlow800
Joined: Aug 23, 2006
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"My fellow Filipino Phone user got an almostly near-death disaster when her genuine(as stated by the poor victim) Nokia N91 battery exploded causing burns on her pillow after being used to kill the fire created by the explosion."
- This is why  is the BEST  .
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Posted: 2003-11-19 11:02
Sony Ericsson software/hardware support! 
