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ElGato
Joined: Nov 27, 2001
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Question:
Why do I only see people from Iraq that want's to fight for Saddam on tv?
I've been following this invasion of Iraq closely, like most of us have I belive.
But how come that every single one so far that says that they will fight and die for Saddam?
How come there are hundreds of civilian people from all over Iraq who travels to Bagdad to fight agains US and it's "allies".
How come I haven't even seen a single fake interview where someone says "I/We love US, they will free us from the evil Saddam"!.
How come the war has been going on for almost a week now and there has been very little progress.
How come all you hear about is that US and it's "allies" are having trouble with this and that city.
How come?
Isn't it time to realize that you were wrong about Saddam?
Itsn't it time to realize that nobody want's to be "rescued"!?
Isn't it time to realize that most of the Iraqi people want Saddam, much more than they want US to invade them.
Isn't it time to realize that there are more people in america that doesn't want Bush as president than there is people that likes Bush?
Isn't america really the country that should be invaded, to free the people from Bush?
I actually think there would be little resistance.. Saddam is obviously more liked by his people than Bush is by his people.
(and no, Iraqi people aren't fighting cause they fear the wrath of Saddam if they don't, civilian Iraqi people fight for what they want.. and obviously it's not rescuing!)
Time to pull out US and "allies".. and face the truth, nobody wan't your rescuing!
(but of course this war isn't about rescuing)
It's a great democratic world we live in! Where people need to be forced to war to get "what they want"..
When people need to die, cause they don't understand their own good.
Hey people of Iraq! Stop fighting! Don't you understand? You don't want Saddam!
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axxxr
Joined: Mar 21, 2003
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All i know that is that are 2 kinds of terrorists in our world and One is the USA and the Other Isreal....And as long as they keep invading on other peoples land wars will continue!!..Eventuality be that we will destroy ourselves and millions of innocents will die in the process.
WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER!!
LEARN TO LIVE TOGETHER AND AND UNDERSTAND OUR DIFFERENCES!!...LIFE IS VERY SHORT WE DONT KNOW WHEN WE GO SIX FEET UNDER.WE TAKE NOTHING MATERIAL WITH US.JUST OUR GOOD DEEDS!!WHATEVER LIES ON THE OTHER SIDE REMAINS FOR ALL OF US TO SEE!! |
sidewinder
Joined: Mar 08, 2003
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Peace and hope it will end soon :-) :-)
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dave_uk
Joined: Mar 06, 2003
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On 2003-03-27 02:30, axxxr wrote:
All i know that is that are 2 kinds of terrorists in our world and One is the USA and the Other Isreal....And as long as they keep invading on other peoples land wars will continue!!..Eventuality be that we will destroy ourselves and millions of innocents will die in the process.
WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER!!
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You don't know shit! Who are you to condemn IsrAEl as terrorists? Would you care to provide us with some background information or justification for this outrageously racist and ignorant comment.
Take your shite grasp of English and your total lack of fact and f**k off!
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d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
Joined: Jun 15, 2002
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hmmm... if the usa was not around then maybe russia would be the super power now. the usa acted as a balance against russia or the former soviet union so that nuclear war would be avoided which defirnitely it was due to we are still all here. most of us just all see the bad things the usa did to most of the countries in this world. they liberated the philippines from which spain was treating it badly for almost 400 yrs. at that time and they helped my country of origin to become a nation. they promised independence and so they gave that country independence. the usa has been giving money to poor countries that's why the it has a very big debt to the UN. i would rather have the usa hold nukes than saddam due to saddam will use it to wage war and not the usa. the usa used nukes on japan to stop world war 2 and avoid milloins of lives lost. if they did not use it then the war would have gone for 5 more years and japan attacked them first. which is better, nukes or napalm? the germans prefer surrender but the japs would fight to the end. me i prefer to fight the germans than the japs who are really brave. when the ussr attacked and invaded most of eastern europe did anyone in the world do anything to stop them? if the usa invaded a country everyone would give them hell like what is happening in this forum. most are also bigots and racists like the muslims here who hates the jews. islam is a religion of tolerance like for example; when the ottoman turks took control of territories previously held by the roman empire like palestine or eastern europe they did not force the christians to convert to islam. the sultan just left them alone to do what they want to do, they also permitted pilgrimages to the holy land and worship, practice their own religions. when the chirstians under their control saw that their new masters are lenient and are tolerating them they willfully converted to islam which is the main reason why islam grew at a rapid pace. muslim, christian and jew were living side by side as neighbors in jerusalem without any problems. do not just see the bad things someone has done but also see if they did some good even if how small it was at least they did some good. i too watch the news everyday and i can see that the iraqi people in basra are grateful for the humanitarian aid they are giving them. they are also protecting the kurds and other tribes that saddam has been slaughteing for decades now for they are the rival tribes of his shiites. he has been killing his own people and has used chems against them. did the usa do that to their own citizens? did any muslim nation got mad at saddam for gassing the kurds and iran? did they ever did any action to show they did not like saddams actions? if i were bush senior back in 1991 i will not stop saddam from taking control of kuwait and other arab nation he invades. we'll see who the arab nations come for help for we all know that he will not stop at kuwait. their are a lot of weak arab nations that saddam can kick ass. at that time they are all scared of him. nevertheless, peace out and in
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ElGato
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Sure we tend to focus on the bad things that US is doing.
But your arguments doesn't get very far by saying that US saved millions of lives by dropping two atom bombs on civilian people during WWII.. where's the reason in that?!
And by the way, the atombombs wasn't the reason WWII ended, it was already clear that it would end soon, US were in control, not the japs.. and it was very clear the the end of the war was near.
Though US had to try out their new invention.. not only once, but twice!
And you say this saved millions of lives!?
Maybe you've missed one thing, people are still dying cause of those bombs!
Yes, we tend to focus on the bad things, like US invading Iraq today.
But tell me, just because US did something good 400 years ago (has it even existed that long?!), does that give them the right to invade other countries today?
Just because US helped europe against Hitler, does that give them the right do act out unhumanitarian deeds today?
Should we stop focusing on all the bad things US is doing and focus on what US has done in the past instead?
Tell me.. if a massmurderer buys some ice cream to some kids, does this give him the right to murder them and others later on?
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Mr.BJ
Joined: Jan 03, 2003
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On 2003-03-27 09:09, d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z wrote:
The usa used nukes on japan to stop world war 2 and avoid milloins of lives lost. if they did not use it then the war would have gone for 5 years
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Man you know that usa nukes on japan to win that war...
and why Thousands of japanes civilians have to lost their life by that crule way ??? they have to do nothing in that war cuz they are CIVILIANS and they are not SOLDIERS !!!!
Or maybe they were soldiers in civilians uniform as it now in iraq  ....
Did u belive that Stupid funny joke......the usa said that so they have a good reasone to kill more iraqe civilians....
also u said : " and avoid milloins of lives lost " !!!!....
ok let me write it again in the correct way
"and avoid milloins of AMERICANS lives lost" !!!!!..... so thats why the JAPANES CIVILIANS have to pay their life for that !!!!...
What you will feel if you all your family and your friends were killed with a NUCLEAR BOMB ??? and after that someone told you that we did that to avoid our poeple from loseing their lives !!!!
Well u accsept that ????
i dont think so that anyone accsept that ......
and if u dont accsept that for your self why you accsept that for japanes ???
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punkserb
Joined: Aug 05, 2002
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actually, the situation with the atom bomb in japan is interesting. after the defeat of nazi germany, the big three (roosevelt, churchill, and stalin) met in pottsdam i beleive to discuss post-war germany and the war with japan.
it was decided that russia would take care of japan. roosevelt was not president, and truman decided that this was not good, since the japanese had a very good industry and would help out soviet russia greatly. so the us rushed in there and claimed japan for itself. japan is a slave to the us still today (they are also along with the us for the iraq war).
also, i find it ironic that the us is going into iraq to "liberate the people" and "bring democracy", when the united nations democratically voted not to invade iraq. well as we have learned, the us only likes democracy when it benefits from it. that is why che guevara was eliminated even though his people wanted him in power. that is why vietname was invaded when viatnamese wanted communism. why us wanted shahs to be in power in the middle east rather than communist governments that might be on good terms with the soviet union.
coming from yugoslavia, which the us bombed during kosovo, i know how the iraqi people feel and how it is when someone forces themselves on you ON YOUR OWN LAND! the situation in kosovo went like this, and don't tell me otherwise because i lived there! california is a us state and has been for many years. same with kosovo being a part of serbia for hundreds of years. now picture many immigrants from mexico coming to california and eventually they outnumber americans 10 to 1. this is same with ethnical albanians in kosovo. now the mexicans say, "you know we like this california and there is so many of us here, we want to make it out own country" and they form the CLA (california liberation amry) and try to take it by force. so the us steps in to defend its land, and russia comes along and says "you can't kill those mexicans, that's ethnic cleansing, its genocide" and bombs the us and sends in "peacekeepers" to california. same shit in kosovo only substitute serbia with the us, albania and albanians with the mexicans, and the us with russia.
now guess what is in kosovo? us military bases! easier access to russia and to middle east.
it makes me sick and i know one day the us will fall just like roman empire, and i want to be alive to see that day, to see the world liberated from a tyrant. |
putin
Joined: Mar 02, 2003
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Surely this is an endless discussion :-( ... i guess that almost all here (except some americans) agree that war is a stupid way to resolve argues
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oxegn
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@ SCORPIONKING1982
Agree 100% with your post.
@ ElGato
Stuff you see on TV about the Iraqi people all not wanting to be free from the dictatorship and loving Saddam is a bit one sided. Anyway the average Iraqi citizen that this war is trying to liberate is too scared to speak out about Saddam for fear of being killed for their opinion. |
scubba_steve
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On 2003-03-27 09:59, Mr.BJ wrote:
ok let me write it again in the correct way
"and avoid milloins of AMERICANS lives lost" !!!!!..... so thats why the JAPANES CIVILIANS have to pay their life for that !!!!...
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This comment really does not deserve a response but I’m going to anyway.
The reality is yes more American lives would have been lost, But an enormous amount of Japanese men would have lost their lives too. The statement "millions of lives saved" does not only apply to Americans, to say that is just wrong. It applied to both sides of that conflict. The emperor of Japan said that he would never surrender, so what’s better, drop two bombs that would force him to surrender. Or end up killing most of the Japanese males if not all of them. We've seen desperate dictators put guns in children’s hands before.
Don’t mistake what I’m saying I still reaffirm that any life lost is horrible and I certainly am not for "nuking" the world.
But what you people so easily forget is that after every war the United States helps rebuild the country they just beat the hell out of. If we are as evil as you people claim we are then why would we do that? Why? No one could make us rebuild those countries. But we do. After Japan surrendered we sent medical personnel and engineers to help them rebuild. We do this because that’s who we are. If you don’t believe any of this, well... then go to a library and read about it.
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cyanx7
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i can't believe this guy!!! 
nothing justifies genocide...!
nothing! it's the worse of the worst crimes ever conceived... what are u thinking! there is no reason to justifie it... it's unconcievable how u try to soften it...
THEY ALL DIED... ALL OF THEM. the guy that dropped it said: "what have we done!"... they cried... because they helped commiting THE WORST CRIME IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND... can't u see that...
can't u immagine what it would be like if it happened the other way around?
if the japanese did that to the USA? do u believe that could be softened, then?
i sure hope there aren't many people like u in the planet. otherwise everybody is going to get screwed real fast... but i bet it will be 4 a good reason, right?
i mean, the way u'r brain works, you wouldn't mind dying if it was 4 a good reason, right?... like the japanese died.
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dave_uk
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@cyanx
You're deliberately misinterpreting what's been said. If you read scuba steve's post, you will see that what he says is factually correct. Nobody in their right thinks what's happening is ideal, but some people accept that it's necessary in the best interests of us all, me included.
The whole argument is that whatever you think of what Bush et al are doing, Saddam could and would do a whole lot worse given the 'time' that some European muppets want to give him. 12 years is plenty in my view!
So please, understand that those that are pro-war are not pro-genocide, pro-racism or pro-world-domination. It is merely the belief that this IS the lesser of 2 evils.
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cyanx7
Joined: Jan 02, 2003
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i understand what u are saying, dave. but i was only questioning the last post scuba_steve wrote... i'm not referring to iraqi present issues...
he's justifying the nukes in WWII 4 god's sake!
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jbendaou
Joined: Feb 11, 2003
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I am not even gonna reply to this posts like i used to, but i will surely try to make a point by those humanitarian goods that are sent to IRAQ.
I have a question for all of you!!! What if i came to your cities with a huge truck full of beer or girls or food, or P800's or what ever, and said well guys this is free and you vcan all have it... Dont you think you will be jumping on my HUGE truck to get the FREE goodies???
Well this looks like exactly what is happening to the civilians in iraq...
So who is gonna proove me wrong???
Dont forget one thing, there are poor countries and wouldnt mind free stuff, and would be happy if you give away free food,etc... so dont tell me they support the US(irak's population), just like we see those poor people happy to get what the americains are giving them...I am definitely not saying that the US is doing the wrong thing by sending food. just to make it clear...
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