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AbuBasim
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On 2010-09-18 18:28:15, etaab wrote:
You know what however ? ive posted pictures on this forum and many others since 2005 when i got my K750i and every phone since then including my Satio and have always had good feedback from fellow forum dwellers but not once have i ever on anything ever manually adjusted the ISO setting on any phone. I always let the phone / camera choose.
Not many SE phones have offered adjusting of ISO...
So if the N8 lacks an option to manually choose which ISO setting to use, i wont be bothered diddly squat !
Not you but Nokia seem to be pushing very hard on the photo qualities of the N8 so quite a few people would be buying it to use it as a basic camera and those would want the typical options available on a digicam. Unfortunately, low light shooting does not seem to be possible since it doesn't allow slower shutter speeds. At least not in the piece used to shoot the samples posted and I hope this changes before the phone is released.
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etaab
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Whats your point ? you're basically saying not many phones offer the user the ability to change the ISO setting, but then saying people will expect the N8 to offer the setting, even though usually its missing.
Why should they ? why should the N8 be any different from the majority of cameraphones ?
I find this every single time a new cameraphone with a high spec hyped up camera is about to be released, people bang on about what they expect from the camera, but then forget at its foundation the device in question is a mobile phone. If you're into photography, a dedicated standalone high quality digital SLR camera would more suit your needs.
Remember all of you in this thread that in essence, the N8 is still only a Symbian mobile phone made by Nokia. Nokia maybe attempting to make it the best camera-specification phone yes, but its still a mobile phone. You cannot blame it for not being perfect, its like saying the N8 might be good but it does not toast your bread as good as your toaster in the mornings.
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norbi_nw
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jake20 plz dont compare satio to a MODIFIED c905... And you forget 1 other importan thing: The N8 will be full metal.. Long time since i hold a metal SE in my hand.. in fact, i only had the T610 (half metal). You cant compare plastic to metal. And the 720p video beats the crap out of the C905. HDMI out, microUSB standard, and multitouch... what more do you want? and i bet in a couple of months the software will be hacked (it's a nokia...) and heavy modding will come.
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etaab
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Again something i notice prior to a new phones release is the anticipation is always followed by doubts. From page 1 of this very thread we see:
On 2010-09-09 21:04:41, jake20 wrote:
hi etaab,
thanks for the advice.. i am really dying for this phone now. I seriously doubt that any Sony Ericsson will be able to match the camera specs and offline GPS features of the N8.. that is primarily why i want it so bad.
@ jake20 - remember why you wanted this phone in the first place. Its very easy when a new phone is hyped up prior to its release for people like you and me to analyse the phone for a potential weakness. Then, after analysing the phone over and over again we realise after our initial excitement the phone is not perfect or does not have every feature out there.
Forget all that, just remember the key points, even norbi_nw hit the nail on the head without realising it, the phone has other great aspects about it which are much more desirable. For me the N8's main appeals are:
- Metallic body
- New version of Symbian (my favourite mobile OS over Android or Apple)
- High spec camera
- Nokia - a better manufacturer of phones
- Ovi maps (free !!)
- Ovi store
- On screen widgets
- 3.5mm jack (better than SE's fastport)
- HDMI out
- 720p video recording in stereo !
Remember, forget your modified camera software from third parties, straight from the box the N8 should have a better camera than any phone before it - even Steve Litchfield over at the Phones Show agrees - see this link. 
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jake20
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yea, i know the N8 is a better phone.. no doubts there.
but I am just trying to decide whether its $500 better than my C905 for what I want in a phone.. thats all |
jake20
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check out these shots taken by Damian.. Lead designer on the Nokia N8
this first shot is taken at ISO 122 , 1/33 sec shutter
this next shot Damian raised the ISO all the way up to ISO 800, to get a faster shutter speed, and freeze the water
man, ISO 800 just seems very high for an outdoor daytime shot..
Upon fist inspection you dont see much noise, but when zooming in you can see a lot more noise compared to the ISO 122 shot.
but this higher ISO shot also appears to be a little darker than the ISO 122 shot.. i dont understand that..
1/309 sec shutter
what do you guys think of these shots?
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AbuBasim
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^^^ Where did you find these samples? I can't find them on Damian's Flickr page.
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etaab
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I dont see much of a difference and i dont think they're very interesting pictures either - not something id take pictures of.
Having said that i prefer the second shot because the water has been frozen in time. I wouldnt have a problem with either picture though. As for noise, i would have thought you'd get more noise with faster shutter speeds as the software has less time to capture a more pure raw image. No ?
Regarding the noise, well if its there then its there, but to be honest if i took either of those pictures to print them off id be quite happy with either. I dont need to zoom in to the individual pixels to look for microscopic flaws. After all, this is a mobile phone taking these pictures, not a £4,000 DSLR.
@ jake20 - i think prior to buying the N8 you should try a Symbian phone, you said yourself you have never owned one before. Possibly owning a smartphone is not for you, they come with more problems even though ultimately they come with larger prizes over such a basic phone as the C905.
Maybe you should consider the Samsung Pixon 12 ?
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jake20
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On 2010-09-19 08:47:58, AbuBasim wrote:
^^^ Where did you find these samples? I can't find them on Damian's Flickr page.
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jake20
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@etaab,
well i have owned smartphones before.. I used to own a Moto Q a few years ago..
think i will just wait until the N8 releases and some reviews come in..
pre-ordering it is just a little too risky for me. i have too many questions right now.
thanks!
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etaab
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I dont blame you, its a big step.
As for the Moto Q, heh !
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jake20
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Nokia N8 night videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqLub4zaS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOiNJvouHJM
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AbuBasim
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Thanks. Missed them before 
I cropped some detail from the lower left corner from both photos of the water stream and put side-by-side for easy comparison of noise. Left-right = slow-fast:
I'd say the noise is acceptable but then again there seems to be plenty of light so the noise may become more disturbing in less well-lit scenes. The slow ISO shot seems a bit fuzzy. Probably from camera shake during the shot.
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etaab
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On 2010-09-19 17:25:37, jake20 wrote:
Nokia N8 night videos
Good quality videos even with Youtube's compression. I really cannot wait to get my orange N8 !
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jake20
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N8 Daytime videos.. now this quality is very good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGzyU6IbJpQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mS2iy4NSbE
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