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Has Eldar gone insane? |
se_love
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On 2009-06-01 18:05:28, se_dude wrote:
Err..is it true that SE has no faactories and that HTC refused to produce the X1 for SE??
While that could be true I dunno why SE wouldn't have the factories to make it. If Eldar said it I just see it as more bashing than anything. |
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NightBlade
Joined: Jul 29, 2007
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From: Nessebar, Bulgaria
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By the way, unlike what Eldar says, the Aino comes with an 8GB microSD card, rather than a 1GB one.
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se_love
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On 2009-06-01 18:58:22, NightBlade wrote:
By the way, unlike what Eldar says, the Aino comes with an 8GB microSD card, rather than a 1GB one.
Yeah thats the Yari the stupid...still a 1GB card for yari is a bit ugh. |
Chico212
Joined: Mar 02, 2009
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From: Trinidad & Tobago
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anybody read his new article
http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2009/birulki-18-en.shtml |
se_love
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Thats the proper english one for why we are calling him insane. now that I see it he isn't insane. He is batshit crazy off the wall. Seriously. A200=S40? Seriously Eldar? Come on. The Symbian platform no matter if S40 S50 or S60 has and always will be 10x more complicated then what SE has offered with the A200 UI. As I said before in this thread anyone going to fill me in how the hell the N81 looks like the Yari?
[ This Message was edited by: se_love on 2009-06-10 00:38 ] |
gtr83
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The guy's not getting paid by SE anymore.  |
se_love
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On 2009-06-10 01:39:55, gtr83 wrote:
The guy's not getting paid by SE anymore.
 Money makes a man go that far? Wow. |
justus333
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I dont think Eldar is that wrong at all. Just read the article and while I thought he was totally exaggerating when reading about it in this forum, now Im not so sure anymore! Fact is, Sony/// made any possible mistake in the last couple of years. They are hugely deficitiary. They need to loan 100m to keep going. Why do you all think it is this way? Because their devices are doing so greatly? Because the X1 sold so well? NO, they´ve been keeping releasing one crappy device after the other and this anouncement now hasn´t been the way out of their misery.
Also interesting to read about the manufacturing background.
Eldar sounds like a big Sony/// lover who has been utterly disappointed by the company as of late.
As most of us here were! |
c96sthl
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From Eldar rubbish
"First and foremost, they are forgoing Memory Stick and M2 memory cards. Now, all their new phones come bundled with microSD support, whereas for years the company was trying to get the notion that Sony Ericsson’s style is no different from Sony’s style right into the back of our minds. They used the synergy effect and it made sense, but how their 2009 strategy is different, what happened? Why all their previous efforts were scratched, why microSD? One of the major niggles with their old memory cards was how much they cost. About 4 years ago, the picture looked grim indeed: M2 cards went for almost 1.5 times more than their counterparts with similar capacities. But it was Sony. This short and explicit explanation, however, didn’t quite appeal to the mass market – people wanted M2 memory cards to retail for at least the same price as microSD. So when the Sony Ericsson K850 saw release they managed to make a breakthrough, talking Sony into lowering the prices. When they reached this parity, though, some retailers couldn’t resist the temptation to set higher premiums for Sony-branded memory cards regardless. Then, just for the sake of an experiment, Sony Ericsson implemented a dual- memory card slot that supported both M2 and microSD. While the experiment was considered a success, there was no need to continue it – the price of M2 memory cards finally slid down to the “fair” level, and the problem disappeared."
eldar forgotten there's something Nokia/ Samsung/ LG/ SE etc maker agreed to make a standard memory format. There's no update what format it will be but not surprise all just stick to microSD.
"But they remain inconsistent and stay true to their nonsensical policy even when copying something – for example, they are not implementing the 3.5 mm audio jack into all music phones, but rather in selected models, like the W995. Furthermore, a bit later on, they will dump Fast Port and replace it with microUSB. As for the three phones that were announced last week, they simply didn’t have the courage to throw it in there; otherwise the reaction would have been even more negative."
eldar didn't read what is happening around where there's been call to plan in having standard connection port for all phone maker as well.
"Sony Ericsson have become prisoners to self-deception, trying to convince themselves that the company is doing great. In fact, self-deception has turned into a part of their corporate culture – reports about non-existent enormous market shares are sent straight to the top executives and this leads to terrifying consequences. Do you want to learn the biggest secret of Sony Ericsson and the reason why their phones have such hefty price tags?
Unlike Nokia, Samsung and LG, the company has never had own manufacturing facilities. They have placed orders for the production of their phones at other factories. However this has nothing to do with ODM production though, when even phone development is outsourced to other companies. So, Sony Ericsson sketch all phones on their own, but let third-party manufacturers produce them, and there are a couple of key stages, where Sony Ericsson must supervise quality, ditch flawed phones and make sure everything goes their way. However lately they have been losing control over these areas, and the reason is pretty simple – their partners don’t like how they are treated. That’s why we got the C905 with flawed runners (new shipments have the same kind of defect, and furthermore, Sony Ericsson are not going to fix it, since the C905 is to be taken out of production very soon), wobbly casings in other phones and so on. This prompts the question: what their partners are so unhappy about?"
This is the biggest piece of rubbish which laugh my ass out.
SonyEricsson have factory at Beijing. Who said they don't have their own manufacturing facilities. but now it just seem more like Nokia...when economy bad...they move most stuff to own factory but some how it seem to bring out more complain when we read at forum.
He don't even know how the real world is doing.... for a design work... most of the time, in house factory is lousy...people get lazy...don't want to walk the extra mile to make the product good. so ends up more issue...supplier need to get more business...so they need to do more so the quality is better with a competitive pricing.
the problem we see on sonyericsson phone being costlier could related to other reason like most basic component aren't don't by themselve (display must be from someone else) |
gtr83
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On 2009-06-10 01:53:57, se_love wrote:
On 2009-06-10 01:39:55, gtr83 wrote:
The guy's not getting paid by SE anymore.
Money makes a man go that far? Wow.
Trust me, where I live, people will go even further...  |
synn
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On 2009-06-10 03:07:33, c96sthl wrote:
From Eldar rubbish
That’s why we got the C905 with flawed runners (new shipments have the same kind of defect, and furthermore, Sony Ericsson are not going to fix it, since the C905 is to be taken out of production very soon), wobbly casings in other phones and so on.
I'd like to add that the C905 issue has been sorted out a while ago and none of the new units have ear-piece problems. If anyone bought a new one and got a defective ear-piece, feel free to prove me wrong. But please, no he said-she said.
This, coming from the same man that admitted that he has no credibility in talking about build quality etc. (In the N86 article. Eldar fell flat on his face after he praised the N85 build quality to the moon while the retail units told otherwise).
I once mailed the guy about the serious discrepancies in his "articles". His reply was "I do research. I right. You wrong". Or something to that effect.
Of course, I posted my thoughts at M-R forums and some of us know how that went. |
c96sthl
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he do his research but some of the member here might be not doing research but get involve even more.
if he did do his research how dare he claim SE don't have their own factory when there's a big one sitting at Beijing!!!!
plus all those point I highlight.....he can claim we SE fan is in state of denial....but i think we are still clear enough to know what we want.
it just seem like he want SE to suit him...not the general mass market community.
plus excuse me...if he don't work for Vodafone that have deep influence in how every phone maker need to design their phone to suit vodafone...he better shut up in being a critic but do what he best doing....review phone.
because if we all remember correctly...Vodafone stop offering benq siemens product due to benq siemens own problem is part of the reason they have a big dip in shipment which eventually lead to bankruptcy. |
Vipera ammodytes
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Eldar sounds like a big Sony/// lover who has been utterly disappointed by the company as of late.
This is true!
OnePlus 8 |
c96sthl
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back on the first post about SE copy Nokia UI
I remember the day when Ericsson have their last hope product out...T68i
everyone is saying Ericsson is losing their edge but trying to make a 8210 out.
as the size/ shape is similar to Nokia 8210 with the addition of BT/ 256color screen that is bigger than 8210.
BUT yes I never heard anyone claim Ericsson copy Nokia UI....the icon style with joystick and then the sub menu with tab used in later SE product are all to me Ericsson style since prior to T68, phone like T39 or t28 is using tab menu.
Nokia themselve is copying the icon based after SE come out with their saviour project called T610....I remember that is when nokia upgrade the software for 7250 and 6xxx sibling have icon base option.
yes eldar can claim SE copy Nokia first slider symbian phone...is it 7??? I can't recall all the old number....but i do remember that is a product after T68....
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jj03
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On 2009-06-01 18:05:19, se_love wrote:
No he lost it a long time ago. He is know somewhere in space.
May I ask how the bloody hell do people see the similarities in Yari to N81 or N86 or whatever?
Seriously while the black and white does strike same it is completely different. The SE is more round and futuristic while the other, the other well its Nokia for petes sake looking 2 years old.
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Lmao @ futuristic. . Thats the ugliest phone ive ever seen. Your so far up se's arse that u got brown ankles. . |
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