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One thing i noticed from nokia firmware is that they sometimes include pretty major features in them. The N81 in its latest firmware has flash lite and feature pack 2 transitions, both which were not initially available in the N81
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Yep NOKIA even recently released a new V30 FW for the N95 Classic, the N73 also got two updates earlier this year.
QVGA
True. NOKIA N81, N82, E90, N95 Classic, and N95-8GB got
On-Demand Paging
Flashlite3.0
And FP2 Menu Transitions (for N81) and some other FP2 features.
All of them are stable but still getting updates and new features.
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It was the early problems with the P990 and SE's slackness at addressing the problems within the first 3-6 months that caused the most grief - not the fact that firmware updates stopped after 12 months.
Sorry...it was not like that...had SE done the same that nokia did with the N95 Classic (backporting demand paging), and the P990/M600/W950 user experience would improve ALOT. But they stopped before that. And its known that hipotesys was on the table at a given time, but they prefered to launch the P1 with double RAM instead, and ask the P990 users to shut up!
Mind you, the case of M600 was even worse, because it lacked the final update that P990 had, that removed some rather stupid bugs.
Then there´s the fact that nokia keeps adding functionality to its top of the line smartphones via firmware updates (not just minor corrections), and SE did nothing - see the case of the P1 - all the big changes were made by users via hacking (sound volume, flash, icon replacement, alarm sounds, video and photo quality, sound quality, torch app, notes, app, etc etc) or thanks to Opera (opera 9.5)
This is why UIQ died!!! SE is pathetic regarding user support!!!
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gforce23
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On 2008-10-24 18:34:59, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Yep NOKIA even recently released a new V30 FW for the N95 Classic, the N73 also got two updates earlier this year.
QVGA
True. NOKIA N81, N82, E90, N95 Classic, and N95-8GB got
On-Demand Paging
Flashlite3.0
And FP2 Menu Transitions (for N81) and some other FP2 features.
All of them are stable but still getting updates and new features.
Demand paging has always been a part of the N95-8GB. It's the mSD-equipped N95 that got this feature through an update at the time of the N95-2's release. I also highly doubt if the N82 ever needed a f/w update to get demand paging. |
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On 2008-10-24 18:54:30, ares wrote:
This is why UIQ died!!!
To be honest, I'm glad it did, as otherwise some or many UIQ fans would never find the motivation to open their eyes and to go for another brand & platform.
Only a few of us did when the P990 fiasco happened.
Others (including me) gave SE another chance and went for the P1i (just as SE's expected from P990 users) or the W960.
Some of us moved further to the G700/G900.
And if SE were to launch another UIQ3 device, I'm sure that a lot of us couldn't wait to get it and then the next and the next and so forth, despite a non-existent product support (and probably still outdated specs).
And that's why this is imo actually good news for SE/UIQ junkies, since they will now have the chance to find much better 'stuff' elsewhere.
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Well I prefer WM and always have tbh. Actually I do agree with you all about SE support for symbian.
But I think the issues go deeper than people realise. UIQ was unsaveable in it's current form. SE had to spend too much time and money to bring it up to spec and I just don't think they had the will. I can't blame them, they are a business, their responsibility is to update the firmware until it's stable, then it's just tough shit if people want updates after that.
The demand paging issue of N95 was an absolute necessity - without it the phone was a dog. It wasn't just an enhancement of firmware - it was a major fix. So imho you can't count it as a an example of Nokia giving nice but unnecessary extras over the life of the handset.
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again, you´re wrong...if SE used hardware that matched Nokia´s offerings, with UIQ 3.3 right now, UIQ would be awesome...i have no doubt about that
but they kept pushing hold hardware (paris and beibei), that wouldn´t stand a chance vs competition |
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On 2008-10-25 23:43:51, ares wrote:
again, you´re wrong...if SE used hardware that matched Nokia´s offerings, with UIQ 3.3 right now, UIQ would be awesome...i have no doubt about that
but they kept pushing hold hardware (paris and beibei), that wouldn´t stand a chance vs competition
I still don't think it's that simple. Look at HSDPA for example, why has this not been included in UIQ yet? They have put hsdpa in A200 phones without a worry but not UIQ. This to me says a problem with UIQ that required a lot of development to fix.
If it was as simple as just updating the hardware they would have done so. Why wouldn't they? Because they like giving their high end users something to gripe about?
Another example, X1. Why move to WM out of the blue if they weren't having problems with their own smartphone platform.
It's not just a hardware issue, it goes deeper than that.
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soulsaber
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I don't want to search this whole tread to see if my answer is there but...
Does this mean that the G900 price will drop a lot?
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Not more so thany any other phone in the market. It's still fully operational as a phone, it's just that there may be no more phones with UIQ after the G900.
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UIQ 3.3 supports hsdpa. Beibei and paris HAD hsdpa...Seriously man, you are talking as someone that does not understand uiq at all and why it failed
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and where is uiq3.3 ? paris and beibei ?
I think we should stop these if/then statements and discuss the present situation 
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Its a pity that many nice models never see the daylight in a shop. Cancelled phones with some potential:
- M610i
- G702/BeiBei
- Paris
I wonder what is the pipeline now, if anything it probably won't be bases on UIQ any more, maybe WM and Android on SE phones, what a pity!
Look here: http://www.uiq.com/product/showroom/
The have some sweetness left in the candy shop and SE won't be giving it to us anymore 
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On 2008-10-26 11:01:23, ares wrote:
UIQ 3.3 supports hsdpa. Beibei and paris HAD hsdpa...Seriously man, you are talking as someone that does not understand uiq at all and why it failed
? Those phone never actually made it to market. Do YOU know why?
The fact remains, SF is in the works, SE have sold out or are selling out their interest in Symbian to Nokia and the Symbian Foundation, meaning that they have good reason to stop development of UIQ.
I'm not saying HSDPA is the main reason they stopped UIQ development, all I'm saying is that UIQ3.3 is not sufficiently stable for SE to consider releasing new UIQ phones (and they can't use current UIQ because one of the glaring faults is lack of HSDPA support).
It's not hardware. SE can build any hardware they need. It's the inability to get UIQ3.3 ready before they massively haemorrhage high end marketshare - so X1 is a stop gap. Perhaps they will go with more WM devices, perhaps SF will be ready in time to replace WM for SE high end (I doubt SF will be ready by end of next year at the soonest)
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