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The New 3G iPhone ! Is this the begining of the end for the SE P AND X series? |
mswallis
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@Boinng
I was merely pointing out to jkthewarrior and dogmann that you can use the service with PC and Mac without owning an iPhone as it is not a specific iPhone service.
It is actually very similar to .Mac except now they push everything to your devices instead of you fetching it.
I think, the main reason they re-named it from .Mac was to try to get some Windows customers (normal everyday folk not business people) and stop people thinking it was Mac only. To use Apple's own quote "it's exchange for the rest of us"
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mobman
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I really want the x1 but i dont know if i can wait for it! The htc diamond is out now and the 3g iphone is out on the 11th July! SE say that the x1 will be out before xmas - but they always lie.
I never even considered the first gen iphone - thought it was ridiculously over priced and under-featured. But my main concern with it was the lack of 3g and qwerty. Now they have fixed the 3g and i've played with the touchscreen qwerty on a few iphones i can honestly say that i've changed my mind. And o2 will be doing the new iphone for £99 on a £30 a month contract (not sure how good the contract will be tho)
I still think that the htc diamond is the front runner which is a shame because i was so looking forward to the x1, but now it looks a choice between htc and apple because i could own them both in a few weeks! |
mswallis
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On 2008-06-11 11:58:16, mobman wrote:
And o2 will be doing the new iphone for £99 on a £30 a month contract (not sure how good the contract will be tho)
On the £30 tariff you get 75 minutes and 125 texts.
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carkitter
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On 2008-06-10 16:43:52, jkthewarrior wrote:
...Not everybody checks emails on their phone thats why mms is a better choice (for now) to send a quick picture etc and the end user receives the pic straight away like an sms. Yer there is push email etc but like i said most mobile users dont use the phone for emails...
This is the entire point and why the iPhone is revolutionary - because networks make MMS easy and email hard and expensive. The iPhone turns this on its head and this is the right way and the way of the future IMO.
So you take a picture, add it to some text and send it as a MMS. The network has a 100kb maximum so your picture gets resized and is only of any use on a small phone screen. In NZ I can send MMS for the same price as txt and can send them for free to my wife and son on my plan. Emails with picture attachments cost heaps in NZ on a casual data plan and on my V640i VodafoneNZ have disabled push email so I have to set a pull setting (I choose 4 hr intervals) but only because I have a 1GB/month Data plan.
I was asked by a friend just yesterday about how to setup/use email on a VodafoneNZ phone and its such a convoluted process frought with many ways of accidental ending up with a massive bill, that only those who've had it backfire (like I have) fully understand it.
This is why MMS is easy and email is so hard on conventional phones.
With the iPhone one can start using email more often (with some new decent data plans), send/recieve full size photo files which can be used later as a desktop background, printed or shared with MobileMe and use push email without having to resort to a PDA or Mac/PC. Because checking email is easier on the iPhone, you'll send and recieve more emails and probably less MMS. Plus iPhones email client connects directly with other features such as GPS making email a easy and practical medium to use.
Like Dogmann I can see the benefits and advantages of the iPhone even though its not the device for me. I hope SE pick up on alot of these features and put them in a W980 type device, I'd be very happy then! 
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anonymuser
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Firstly, I don't believe there's ever been anything "hard" about email on phones. SE phones have had email clients built in since before they were even SE - my Ericsson T39 had one back in 2002(?) - and it's never been difficult to attach a picture and send it. Yes, push email is a fairly recent innovation but it wasn't the Iphone's - any number of devices have supported it for years.
However, there are very good reasons why "most" people don't want to use push email for sending casual, instant, mobile messages. Most push methods (blackberry excluded) require a constant data connection, which quite apart from the network's cruel habit of charging people for such services, is also a constant drain on battery life. If you don't want or need constant access to your email (as most people genuinely don't) then leaving it on in case someone sends you a funny picture is just silly.
MMS is, like it or not, a much more convenient and efficient way of sending small media clips (such as pictures) from one phone to another instantly. It's quite well established, and even those who never use it, are probably quite capable of doing so when pushed (unless they own an Iphone of course). Many of us are quite able and equipped to use email as well, but it's simply not as practical for most purposes - not because of some conspiracy by the networks, or because email is difficult to use, but just because it's a sledgehammer to crack an egg, when every non-iphone on the market already comes equipped with a suitable teaspoon.
To talk of email on the Iphone as "revolutionary" is classic Apple hype, and exactly the kind of thing that just breeds cynicism on forums like these. The reality is that the Iphone does exactly 0% new in the email department - it's no easier, cheaper, or quicker than sending mail on my WM phone for example - it simply promotes email more as a "phone" feature because another, more basic feature is inexplicably missing.
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PetruR
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The iPhone is hardly the beginning of anything, it is a multimedia device at heart, targeted at fashion-conscious consumers and the cool kids. After all the hype, I wouldn't buy it if you paid me to do it. |
Nipsen
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I hope SE pick up on alot of these features and put them in a W980 type device, I'd be very happy then!
The sad truth is that if SE worked a bit better to promote the /existing/ tech on the phones, and worked at least a little bit with the developer community, and resolved whatever issues with PowerVR that prevents the emulator from functioning properly - then the iPhone UI wouldn't have been a selling point.
Of course - SE wants to bankrupt their smartphone division, and compete as a brand in marketing schemes they genuinely have no talent for - rather than attempt to provide a good product solution.
So sure - this spells the beginning of the end of a previously good company. When the iPhone can outshine their brand for a year, with tech that has been on the SE devices for three years. Then this certainly says something about how much of a failure SE is as a company, and how utterly too slow they are to take advantage of the possibilities they have at their fingertips. So - hello, unknown brand and open linux core OS.
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jkthewarrior
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On 2008-06-11 13:38:07, Nipsen wrote:
I hope SE pick up on alot of these features and put them in a W980 type device, I'd be very happy then! So sure - this spells the beginning of the end of a previously good company. When the iPhone can outshine their brand for a year, with tech that has been on the SE devices for three years. Then this certainly says something about how much of a failure SE is as a company, and how utterly too slow they are to take advantage of the possibilities they have at their fingertips. So - hello, unknown brand and open linux core OS.
Looks like the walkman/ipod fiasco all over again! |
Nipsen
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Yeah. Sony could've employed, back in 2000, any amount of the experts who desperately pushed OpenGL ES then. Or developed using svg tiny. Or flash. Or whatever - and used the phones at the time that was capable, to make capable media- players (with or without phone- functionality). They didn't, for whatever reason, and that's where we're at.
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Nitro Fan
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Ahhhh the Iphone, the device that proved the public WILL choose form over function if you tell them its "cool" the device that is almost an Ipod (But Apple do not want to damage Ipods so it will always be c**p)and almost a touch screen smart phone, shame it does not allow you to actually write anything like the really smart phones (Pseries) do!
I tried one out and cant see what all the fuss is about it does nothing a P1 doesn't do better already.
I have owned the ... T68i T610, P800, P900, P910, P990, W950, P1, W960 But SE have now totally lost the plot. |
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On 2008-06-11 14:57:24, Nitro Fan wrote:
shame it does not allow you to actually write anything like the really smart phones (Pseries) do!
I tried one out and cant see what all the fuss is about it does nothing a P1 doesn't do better already.
Oh, yes, but that's not important. It's so cool, can't you see?I can flick pictures on the screen and that's cool!Sms?Email?Who needs 'ém?
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anonymuser
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I think there's a certain amount of denial about the Iphone right now. Let's face it, it does SMS, email, calls, the web, music, all pretty well. Very well even. It's also now got 3G speed (in addition to wifi) and built in GPS. And it does a lot of smartphoney things like document editing etc. And the applist is about to start growing hugely (how long before the Appstore leaves UIQ3 for dust?)
The form factor may not be everyone, the camera's a bit poor, and there are still a few details left out, but let's not pretend it isn't a pretty good phone...
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DragonEye
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On 2008-06-11 14:57:24, Nitro Fan wrote:
Ahhhh the Iphone, the device that proved the public WILL choose form over function if you tell them its "cool" the device that is almost an Ipod (But Apple do not want to damage Ipods so it will always be c**p)and almost a touch screen smart phone, shame it does not allow you to actually write anything like the really smart phones (Pseries) do!
I tried one out and cant see what all the fuss is about it does nothing a P1 doesn't do better already.
lol living in denial... the iphone has already surpassed the the UIQ family in functionality in some ways.. boohoo no mms or a2dp...
better touchscreen interface, better sound quality, better chipset (quad and triband) built in gps
better apps and more apps...
face it UIQ should just roll over and die.. SE needs to wake up...
this is coming from one of the first p1i users... that originally had nothing but praise for it...
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ares
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If i remember correctly, thinks like java, flash, mms, copy+paste, a2dp, were already well discussed last year, in threads similar to this one...and the answer of the zealots was the same: "that is all software, Apple (aka, GOD) will bring them quickly on firmware updates, they are not like SE and others"
Guess what, ONE YEAR has passed, and those features are still absent.
You can say what you want, but MMS + A2DP + copy & paste + java, are things i cannot live without (neither a physical keypad, btw - and yes i tried the jesus phone)
Not to mention, there is no TRUE multitasking (who are they kidding) for 3rd party apps
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anonymuser
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I'll bet MMS, copy and paste, and maybe even Java are sorted out via the appstore.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here - personally I'll probably stick with WM which the Iphone genuinely has nothing much on - but I'd be worried if I was in charge of UIQ right now. UIQ3 has been in the wildnerness for far too long.
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