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Dogmann
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@Bambino
I think you will find that the 9500 was a Nokia Flagship device not sure just how many years ago that was now though and your point is? As again two wrongs don't make a right where have i defended Nokia's faults no where is the answer i don't deny they exist or say that Nokia are perfect either.
I have never claimed anywhere that any manufacturer is perfect far from it in fact if you had read all my post's you would know that i think the trend of releasing any of these devcies when they are not ready and need a new firmware virtually straight after release is wrong. I also think it should stop but unfortunately until us as consumers stop accepting this as being OK and return these devcies until they are fit to be released it is very unlikely to stop as if the manufacturers can get our money and fix the problems later this is of course good for them just not so good for us.
As for i don't praise SE's really are sure? as yet again you are wrong look at the T650 thread for proof and i have also praised the K800 after the initial EROM problem as being a great if not the best Camera phone so on this you are quite clearly wrong.
The very simple reason i don't buy a SE Flagship smart phone is please show me one that has HSDPA you can't so just why should i buy any just to get an SE badge i don't think that makes any sense for a expensive piece of equipment do you?. But currently there is nothing in the way that SE treats it's users that makes me want to be an SE customer. As when they release a smart phone you can't be sure or trust SE that they will deliver what they say on thier website or in the White paper as when they fail to deliver what they say they just remove the feature from the White paper and the website specifications SE a company you can't trust to deliver is not one i want to give my money to.
What Makbil was pointing out if you don't cherry pick is that even though Nokia devcies may have problems they continue to receive new firmware and with it even new features, which is something SE doesn't do it doesn't add new features.
Now as for me being naive that may well be your opinion but is very far from the truth and as for me being dishonest please either support this absurd claim or retract it if your man enough to.
Marc
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Bambino
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From: Clow Kingdom
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@doggman
After your long eplanation it, i still cannot get your points, your explanation is cirling around. It seems you want to proof you are as neutral as you can.
Actualy theres alot i want to clear about your opinion. But i dont to talk about this anymore, it will be exhausting for me. Anyway please look at your past posts from others point of view.
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makbil
Joined: Oct 26, 2006
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On 2008-03-04 03:42:00, Bambino wrote:
...Well how about because we are discussing SE so what relevance does what any other manufacturer do or not, simple answer it doesn't as we are discussing SE's problems for that you need a Nokia thread.
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Actually this is not purely an SE thread. It does deal mainly with the P990 disaster, therefore SE, but it's unavoidable to compare SE to its main competitors. This is how free market and competition work, you pit the players against each other, then you compare and choose the better product. The companies on the other hand try to build the better product and try to sell it to you. These companies need to be reminded of this fact, if they specify their product has a certain capability, well it better have. Otherwise it should be able to bite them in the @ss for lying to their customers.
As someone has already mentioned, only if SE had not taken this arrogant (and rude in my opinion) stand and acknowledged the problem, things would have subsided by now. It's the "we scr@wed you over so what, get over it" attitude that keeps emotions alive.
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makbil
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On 2008-03-04 04:39:48, mib1800 wrote:
SE knew P990 is a debacle and that's why they took the consious decision to abandon it instead of pumping in more money to salvage it. I sympathise with those who bought P990 but nobody puts a gun to your head. All the signs were there that the P990 was in trouble before even it went on sales but still went out and bought it despite of this.
I beg to differ. SE had an excellent P900 example behind it and the delays with the P990 could be interpreted as perfecting the phone before launch. No one could have known the sorry state the P990 was in until they bought it and used it.
One lesson that can be learn from this (which some SE fans are oblivious to) is that SE does not have the capability yet to deliver advance spec-ed phone...
Events show this to be true. Ever since the P990 I made it a point to follow new SE devices and almost every single one of them are loaded with bugs and serious problems.
So before you buy your next super-duper spec-ed smartphone from SE just be aware of this fact that SE is trying to wear too big a hat.
Not going to happen in the near future. SE seriously needs to prove itself in a variety of ways before I will consider SE again.
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Dogmann
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@Bambino
I take it from your response then that you accept that i do actually praise SE when i think they deserve it and that i am not dishonest as you have failed to prove i am or had the decency to apologise for that false accusation no surprises there then. Yet another person happy to accuse me of things and then unable to prove them true.
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mode
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On 2008-03-03 19:17:00, Bambino wrote:
Anyway im a bit frustated. Why people still stuck in the past? (Arguing over 2years old phone)
If you robbed a bank 20 years ago, I'm sure you can turn yourself in and the bank would say nah, it's Ok, that was a long time ago. No amount of time would make something wrong turn right.
P990 is a newbred uiq 3 phone so you cant expect it to work properly
Then you're saying no one should buy X1 and if we do, be prepared for a crappy piece of device. If no one buys SE devices at its inception, you can kiss your favourite company bye bye
 is still on the learning stage, because their company is still young compared to nokia, samsung, or motorola.
So, If you have faith in then support em. If dont just simply leave em!
You expect us to give our money to a company which doesn't perform, just out of loyalty, what kind of freak are you? Oh, and leaving SE doesn't get my money back does it? So I think we prefer to make as much noise and sink SE on the way out, thank you very much.
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makbil
Joined: Oct 26, 2006
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From: Istanbul
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Yeah, I'm also stuck on this "loyalty" thing. Why should I be loyal to any company unless they make the effort to win me over - or unless I own that company 
Get over it (some) people, if someone treats you like crap, you just return the favor likewise, you don't get in line for more of the same treatment.
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Wuz
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Its ironic that discussion within this thread now completely centre's on just one of the ten questions that was put to SE and that this question is one of just a couple that we are awaiting feedback on.
I can't help but feel that its going nowhere... far better to wait for the official response? |
Bambino
Joined: Sep 17, 2005
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From: Clow Kingdom
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On 2008-03-04 10:58:02, Dogmann wrote:
@Bambino
I take it from your response then that you accept that i do actually praise SE when i think they deserve it and that i am not dishonest as you have failed to prove i am or had the decency to apologise for that false accusation no surprises there then. Yet another person happy to accuse me of things and then unable to prove them true.
Ok. Then i will ask you then.
What you were wrote before is
On 2008-03-04 09:44:52, Dogmann wrote:
But currently there is nothing in the way that SE treats it's users that makes me want to be an SE customer. As when they release a smart phone you can't be sure or trust SE that they will deliver what they say on thier website or in the White paper as when they fail to deliver what they say they just remove the feature from the White paper and the website specifications SE a company you can't trust to deliver is not one i want to give my money to.
*It clearly you are making generalization on and you only see from negative side. You encourage people to hate but with soft language that makes you look neutral.
But how come you can say that if you didnt experiece it yourself being disappointed by just like makbil?
You just using others opinion to justify your emotions to badmothing if theres a chance.
How about people who satisfy with their phone? Or didnt have problem with their phone?
Maybe you usually say
- it didnt have hsdpa
- its expensive compared to nokia
- its tech is oudated
Sheesh
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Bambino
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From: Clow Kingdom
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On 2008-03-04 12:42:25, mode wrote:
On 2008-03-03 19:17:00, Bambino wrote:
P990 is a newbred uiq 3 phone so you cant expect it to work properly
Then you're saying no one should buy X1 and if we do, be prepared for a crappy piece of device. If no one buys SE devices at its inception, you can kiss your favourite company bye bye
*hey, cant you tell the diffrence of uiq3 and wm 6.1(in x1)?
Its clearly you are blindly and stupidly critize!
Uiq3 source code is wholenew at that time, while wm 6.1 is old wm6 which recived upgrade which is surely more stable.
Dont blur my sentece will ya?
is still on the learning stage, because their company is still young compared to nokia, samsung, or motorola.
So, If you have faith in then support em. If dont just simply leave em!
You expect us to give our money to a company which doesn't perform, just out of loyalty, what kind of freak are you? Oh, and leaving SE doesn't get my money back does it? So I think we prefer to make as much noise and sink SE on the way out, thank you very much.
*On 2008-03-03 19:17:00, Bambino wrote:
So, If you have faith in then support em. If dont just simply leave em!
Is my sentence is not clear ENOUGH?
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Non Tibi,
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Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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From: London England
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@Bambino
Your really not very good at this are you? Really so you think people are all that easily influenced by my words, well thank you for the compliant but i consider most members of the Forum to be able to work things out for themselves and not be that easily influenced, don't judge every one else by your own low standards.
Again how do you know i didn't experience the same disappointment as Makbil then what evidence do you have to support this claim then or is this yet again just another case of picking what you would like to believe.
I had been a customer of Ericsson and then SE for over 20 years and worked with them as a big supporter out in the Buisness world promoting thier products, not just i Love SE, SE are the best type support on Forums that counts for very little except to try and influence a few users which is nothing in the big picture of things.
I bought and paid for a M600 and it was not even close to what was promised after two Firmwares even by then it had no right to of been released in such a poor condition. But i could see that nothing was going to improve so left SE. As it happens it means i made the right move nice and early and saved myself and heap more aggravation and further disappointment clever me YES. But just because i no longer own an SE device why exactly does this stop me from holding a valid opinion then? as sorry but it doesn't.
You are right i do say it doesn't have HSDPA and that the tech is outdated which both happen to be facts, i have never said it is expensive compared to Nokia again just something you like to believe i have said to support your weak and fact less arguments.
I have also never told anyone not to buy SE as it is thier money to spend as they wish really not my choice to make. I have also not told anyone to buy Nokia or any other devcie either as above it's not my call to make. So yet again you are happy to tell me what i think and what i say and can't prove or back up any of these things you like to claim that are untrue.
This is why i say you really aren't very good at this are you as you are unable to back up or prove any of your unjust claims or all you are doing is showing that you are the biased one and the dishonest one shame on you.
Marc
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chuksy
Joined: Aug 07, 2007
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From: uk
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@ Dogmann
Aren't you ever tired of getting into arguments, particularly when it has to do with slagging off SE?
Oh i forgot..you are "Honoured to have won BEST DEBATER"
You dont like SE...EVERYONE KNOWS THAT....so let it rest.
Your remarks would not dent SE, those who love SE's products would always buy them.
You've made your point as eloquently as possible.
Let it rest...ok? |
mode
Joined: Jan 12, 2007
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@Bambino
It is now clear from your response that you do not have the capacity to comprehend the extrinsic & intrinsic notions of my statements therefore being a complete & utter waste of my time. I will not argue with you anymore because you'll drag me down to your level & beat me with experience (that's a quote I read from somewhere befitting your description), so Marc, save yourself the energy because this boy's not worth it
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NightBlade
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Phew, finally! |
Dogmann
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@Chusky
If some one was saying you said things you didn't and was lying about you what would you do? ignore it? i doubt it.
It really is simple if people stop telling me what i think or say when i don't i wouldn't have to say anything would i. So there's the solution just stop people telling lies and then i have no need to comment.
Marc
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Posted: 2008-03-04 09:44
So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD 
