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bangsters
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i started this thread to gain insights on the 4 phones models, not to start some bashing and flame wars....if you can't put any meaningful insight, then please just avoid posting and leave them to the others who do....
...to those with much to say, thanks...i might end up with a p990 for a couple reasons
1. i got my fiance an n80 and it couldn't even measure up to my old p910i, so I'm nervous on the n95. and the battery issue is a big problem, as i use data alot.
2. p990 is cheaper than p1i right now and i kinda like the old p series design (flip)
3. p990 and p1i are basically the same, except for more ram and higher camera, or did i miss anything important?
4. I've never tried the n95 but i've never been inclined to the nokia UI, personal preference i guess
5. i like the added functionality of a touchscreen.
6. iphone...uhmmm....dunno what the price will e...might need to sell my left nut for it? stil untested?
btw, any pics of the e series phones from nokia? I've never really seen them...any reviews?
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@Saporobaby and Dogmann
You proved to me a few things:
Suporababy it is true in saying that ignorance is bliss. Dogmann at least admited that N95 has 20mb free ram left for usage while you are talking nonsence with 50 mb. You are only making a parade out of your ignorance. If you both think 20mb is as good as P1 80mb than what can I say.
Dogmann hardly waited to talk about E90 80mb ram as it is so special, and now he cleverly hide that fact in our discussion comparing ram and multitasking capacity of N95 and P1.
Dogmann who talked about P990, did you actually read my posts here?Also I didnt say N95 is weak but that P1 is a beast regarding multitasking and that N95 cant compare with it in that area. Your post prove me that your hate for SE is deeply rooted. All you said comparing other technical aspects is true but here we are talking about ram and multitasking. |
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On 2007-06-12 07:26:44, koto wrote:
@Saporobaby and Dogmann
You proved to me a few things:
Suporababy it is true in saying that ignorance is bliss. Dogmann at least admited that N95 has 20mb free ram left for usage while you are talking nonsence with 50 mb. You are only making a parade out of your ignorance. If you both think 20mb is as good as P1 80mb than what can I say.
Oh here we go again. I thought that I had corrected you and educated you on the memory issue. Here goes again. The P1 has to have that much ram because it still has a memory leak. Meaning, the phone runs out of ram while just sitting there doing nothing. Nokia S60 does not have this problem. The N95 can mulit-task simply because it makes better use of its ram while the UIQ has to load up as much as possible so it does not, say it with me now, Crash due to lack of memory. That 20 meg memory you listed is actually a number after the phone is operation, not total ram. Go back and read my memory class I gave you a few posts earlier. If it will make you feel better and hopefully educate you, I will post a snapshop my usable ram and maybe, just maybe you will understand how things work. OK?
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On 2007-06-12 01:37:46, mode wrote:
@sapporobaby
If you wanna compare specs........ I think SE's decision for the '4 year old technology' P1 was based on this for which P1 is still very powerful and feature packed to many (not for me though), supporting GPS should you opt for it, 3G high speed data transfer, WLAN, Business Card Scanner, push mail, print quality Camera, obscene amount of RAM, open platform, Touch Screen and all in a light, thin shell. And most of us are Windows users (now dude, let's not go off topic on this one). Not for me but this is more than enough for many IMHO.
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You made some misstatements in your post as far as I can see.
1. Print quality camera. 3.2 is not print quality but it will do if this is all you have.
2. Open source. Not sure what you mean here. Do you mean Open Source like Linux.
3. Ram. You better have that much ram or you get the: System Rebooting to Optimize Performance. Remember those? (By the way, the N95 has 50 mb contrary to what Koto thinks)
4. 3G is okay, but HSDPA is much better and no where to be found in the P1.
5. Wifi. 802.11B. I don't need to say more.
The hits go on and on. The bottom line is SE could have done better and didn't. Simple fact. Others are trying and many succeeding. SE has seen that their customer base will settle for less and be happy with it, while Nokia realizes people want real innovative change. You did make an interesting point though and this is very true. No matter how many facts I post or Koto for that matter, it all comes down to what people want. There are SE fans, and Nokia fans and actually this is a good thing. Hopefully this makes them inclined to make better phones in the future.
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koto
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So since you educated me and we can now speak the same language, I ask you once again: Are you claiming that 20mb free ram on your disposal (that you get after N95 fresh reboot) is the same or, as I understand you, even better than 80 mb free ram that P1 have after fresh reboot. Please don't go around, let us stick to the main point.
I provided you with the link to mysymbian which IMO proves that at the moment only E90 and P1 adequately fulfill users's need for ram. |
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On 2007-06-12 05:57:07, bangsters wrote:
i started this thread to gain insights on the 4 phones models, not to start some bashing and flame wars....if you can't put any meaningful insight, then please just avoid posting and leave them to the others who do....
...to those with much to say, thanks...i might end up with a p990 for a couple reasons
1. i got my fiance an n80 and it couldn't even measure up to my old p910i, so I'm nervous on the n95. and the battery issue is a big problem, as i use data alot.
2. p990 is cheaper than p1i right now and i kinda like the old p series design (flip)
3. p990 and p1i are basically the same, except for more ram and higher camera, or did i miss anything important?
4. I've never tried the n95 but i've never been inclined to the nokia UI, personal preference i guess
5. i like the added functionality of a touchscreen.
6. iphone...uhmmm....dunno what the price will e...might need to sell my left nut for it? stil untested?
btw, any pics of the e series phones from nokia? I've never really seen them...any reviews?
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I think you made the right decision mate. With the latest fw on the P990i it runs sweet and is well capable of multi-tasking compared to the older versions and like has been said its a pure bargain right now.
BTW, the P1i has a 3.2mp cam as opposed to the 2.0mp cam of the P990i.
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sapporobaby
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On 2007-06-12 08:44:41, koto wrote:
So since you educated me and we can now speak the same language, I ask you once again: Are you claiming that 20mb free ram on your disposal (that you get after N95 fresh reboot) is the same or, as I understand you, even better than 80 mb free ram that P1 have after fresh reboot. Please don't go around, let us stick to the main point.
I provided you with the link to mysymbian which IMO proves that at the moment only E90 and P1 adequately fulfill users's need for ram.
Class in session. Do the math, 20 is not equal to 80. I never said it was. My question to you is, which you failed to mention is that 80 mb that you are happy with before or after a restart? Don't forget, you got to load those leaky UIQ applications into RAM.
The link from my-symbian is only partially correct because he/she did not take into account (maybe I missed it) better memory management in S60 as opposed to UIQ. S60 can run with 10 mb of ram and still be faster than UIQ simply because UIQ is not efficient with the way it manages memory. 80 mb is a gift so that your phone does not crash but you don't seem to get this. Multi-tasking was not the reason behind it. It was so you don't get those out of memory or optimization errors, or did you forget about that?
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According Michal's review P1 has around 80 mb free ram after restart. He didn't notice any memory leak or bad memory management and said that multitasking capacity is almost unlimited. In his words:
80 MB free RAM in the P1 means virtually unlimited multitasking, i.e. the ability to simultaneously run as many programs as you wish and keep them working in the background.
The link I provided you with clearly shows that N95 doesn't have that capacity i.e. people are adviced to close apps on regular basic,etc or simply said N95 can only dream to open so much apps and multitask as P1 can do. |
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On 2007-06-12 09:10:20, koto wrote:
The link I provided you with clearly shows that N95 doesn't have that capacity i.e. people are adviced to close apps on regular basic,etc or simply said N95 can only dream to open so much apps and multitask as P1 can do.
I will re-read the Michael article again. The closing of apps on the N95 is not about memory conservation but battery conservation. Things running in the background eat up battery power. Right now, I have about 7 apps open on my N95 and it is rolling right along.
**EDIT**
I just opened app after app until I got an out of memory error. I opened the largest apps I had. Podcasting, Amazon, VoIP, Messaging, Web Browswer, Fring (Skype), Calendar, Worldmate, Music Player, Googlemail, and finally Gizmo. Finally with about 3 gigs left did I get the error to close some apps.
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On 2007-06-12 09:10:20, koto wrote:
According Michal's review P1 has around 80 mb free ram after restart. He didn't notice any memory leak or bad memory management and said that multitasking capacity is almost unlimited. In his words:
80 MB free RAM in the P1 means virtually unlimited multitasking, i.e. the ability to simultaneously run as many programs as you wish and keep them working in the background.
The link I provided you with clearly shows that N95 doesn't have that capacity i.e. people are adviced to close apps on regular basic,etc or simply said N95 can only dream to open so much apps and multitask as P1 can do.
I'm afraid even hard evidence like this is falling on deaf ears matey. They just won't listen.
@sapporobaby
I think the OP has made his decision.
The P1i is a great product, so it doesn't have HSDPA? It uses 4 year old technology - so what? The N95 is uses plastics - does that mean we all go around shouting "oh it uses 50yr old technology", I mean really? How silly.
Now trying to argue 20mb ram against 80? When the evidence is there in front of you - c'mon mate. Leaky UIQ Applications? Not a very strong argument is it. I think Koto has won this round.
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I'm afraid even hard evidence like this is falling on deaf ears matey. They just won't listen.
@sapporobaby
I think the OP has made his decision.
The battery in the N95, no matter how big or small, is just an abomination. Whoever chose to put such as emaciated battery in such as feature bloated phone (sorry - multimedia computer  ) deserves the title of most dumbass decision of the year.
The P1i is a great product, so it doesn't have HSDPA? It uses 4 year old technology - so what? The N95 is uses plastics - does that mean we all go around shouting "oh it uses 50yr old technology", I mean really? How silly.
Now trying to argue 20mb ram against 80? When the evidence is there in front of you - c'mon mate. Leaky UIQ Applications? Not a very strong argument is it. I think Koto has won this round.
Actually I did listen and I did go back and read the article. As I also stated to Koto, and he can verify, my questions were about him posting his info. Not whether 20 mb = 80 mb. He posted it, and while it is a blog source I am giving him, Koto, the benefit of the doubt because I think he is a good guy. Stated this earlier as well.
Whether the OP made his point or not, there is plenty good info in this thread. I for one got some info that I can bookmark for later.
Now for your statements. Considering the size of the N95 where would you put a larger capacity battery? Contrary to popular belief the N95 is not that large. Contrary to popular belief Nokia does not make batteries nor design them, they buy them and I am pretty sure the 950 mAh was the best they could fit given the dimensions, but by all means, if you have some super folding, squeezable, liquid type battery, let me be your agent. We will make millions.
Considering your posts are most of the time spot on, I will skip taking apart the:"so what it's old technology, and I don't need HSDPA, yada, yada, yada." With that thinking, you should go back to the Ericsson 688. I think we both know this is not a realistic statement.
Finally. The memory issue revisited once again. 80 mb is a blessing for any UIQ series phone. Without it, all the P-series, M600i, become the crash and burn machines. This fact is staring you in the face as well. UIQ has memory leaks that can only be plugged by throwing more memory at it. SE did not fix it, they just put a finger in the dyke. Now for the sake of Koto, yes 80 mb is better than 20 mb and on any given day it is good to have. But consider why it took SE only 4 years to start putting it into their phones.
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@sapporobaby
But you seem to be implying that the N95 was designed with the battery as an afterthought - which might be true I don't know - but I was under the impression handsets were designed with all aspects taken into consideration.
However, I don't think people really would have really minded if the phone itself was 2mm thicker if that meant it was able to accommodate a more capable battery - and there simply has to be bigger better batteries out there. The N95 is loaded with specs, I don't think anyone was really expecting a slim phone anyway when its specifications came to light. Its a pity really.
As for the P1i, if it does have 80mb ram then is that not a means to an end ? It makes it a workable, attractive handset capable of running virtually unlimited applications as has been said in the review.
The fact that SE didn't up the RAM on earlier phones isn't a good thing however, hopefully it means no more RAM issues. No doubt it will still leak memory but thankfully this won't cause any problems this time around as even with leakage, it shouldn't fall below 50mb.
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1) 3.2mp might not be of printable quality for a Nokia, but it sure is for SE, I haven't had a dedicated camera since the days of my 1.3mp S700, that was almost if not 4 years ago and even then it was printable, took & printed so many wonderful shots of my baby daughter with it. Before that I had a Kodak 3.2mp camera. I went to France and shot 2200+ pics with my P990, perfectly printable, my family, friends & colleagues couldn't believe they were shot from a phone.
2) By open 'platform', I meant Symbian. Most people I know don't even know what the heck that is and it's quite funny how quick we are at demanding more. SE, HSDPA please!
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First Nokia phone with 128mb RAM = E90...how many years took them???
So alot more RAM is only needed for UIQ3 phones, and not ALL symbian 9.x phones??? WHY did not Nokia put the same crap amount of RAM the N95 has on the E90 (and the n76 by the way)???
All this hypocrisy makes me SICK
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Also, devices are compared based on the target market, not because they have the same camera resolution and ram.
This means the p1i should be compared with other messaging smartphones devices of similar size and price range, such as e61i. Notice how the e61i doesn't have hsdpa and concentrates on battery life too and according to sap uses more than 4 year old tech since its less featured than p1i. | |
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