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BobaFett
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@icaka if u test fones wilth first fw, most of them are buggy, but the upgrade do fixe the problems. for e60 there are 2 fw versions, the 2nd one from last july and the fones works perefct.
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icaka
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On 2007-05-13 10:00:49, BobaFett wrote:
@icaka if u test fones wilth first fw, most of them are buggy, but the upgrade do fixe the problems. for e60 there are 2 fw versions, the 2nd one from last july and the fones works perefct.
yes I DID say that.Usually I test a phone when it has just hit the shelves or up to 2-3 months later so in most cases the phone is with fw1.But bugs are not the main problem,the UI is what I don't like in Nokias.Also,they have great hardware,but hardly fulfill my expectations - they are slow(with big memo cards - N70 for example) or bad night pics(those strange colours - N73) or bigger/thicker than I expected(thinking of N80).In contrast,SEs are a bit behind with hardware but do things better.So specs are confusing sometimes.
btw,here you can see the N83(I see deuxani's N83 works everywhere!great work,deuxani!  )
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BobaFett
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ever tried e60? all smybians are a bit slow, p990 or m600 arent?
according n73 night pix, true, but to buy n73 cos the cam is funny
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icaka
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in fact,no,I haven't tried E60,its not my type.Anyway,there are very much positive thoughts about it so I don't argue its a good phone.Boba,sorry if I'm not right,but I feel you are a bit offensive towards me.I haven't any bad intentions.I like Nokias and SEs and Nokia is ahead now,I agree.But they pretend to be more than they are really.N95 is a good example IMHO.Not that SE is 100% true - Walkman series aren't the best music solution at all.But everybody knows that,we are in a SE-oriented site after all.
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BobaFett
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sorry to feel offended, its not my intention, i just like to provocate a bit 
u see, when u write, that u test fones with the frirst fw, its clear, that it has bugs and slower then the coming ones, so i wouldnt judge on the first sight. according cz and nokia. its well known, that cz and nokia arent the best together, since n90 its a known fact, that tha mixture didnt offered us the wished result. the pix are nice, but not that good. n73, n93 pix are better, maybe they did some development, but its still not a k800 quality. the video is another story, thats where se still sucks.
but the most important thing is at asymbian fone the os, not the cam imo. i used almost every symbian model, have to admit, i was very satisfied to i stick to those ones.
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icaka
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ok Boba thats right but after all, when I pay,I pay for everything,right?
now about the N83 - sorry but it isn't true,its only some old sh*t from 2006,I didn't see that  .Thats the N95 with some fanboyish specs,nothing more.I apologize for the misinformation.
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BobaFett
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as i recall even n95 was omce published as n81
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mib1800
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icaka:
Without offence but all the S60 I have did not give me so much problems like you mentioned. If all generations of S60 are so problematic then it would have gain a bad reputation and it would be very difficult to get repeat customers. But repeat customers (+many new ones) are what S60 are getting since S60 sales are skyrocketing year by year.
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icaka
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mib1800 maybe I'm accustomed to SE thats why I'm overcritical to some extent.But normally,Symbians are slower and buggier than non-OS ones.I repeat myself: what I don't like is the UI(GUI if you prefer).SE is way better.
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BobaFett
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of course they are slower and the reason to have bug is bigger, cos they have far more features and other operating system. its like u would judge the a dpa is slower and have more bugs as a manager calculator...
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>500
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the second my brother got his n73, it didnt turn on at all  had to wait for another one to come in.... even on new firmware, the n73 is still too slow imho... same story with n80.... ALL phones have their problems though...
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miguel82
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If you compare s60 with S40 or SE traditional Ui of course they are a little slow but if you compare with Uiq3 they are a lot faster... For exemple the startup is half of the time, applications oppen more faster etc |
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Yes the N80 was very slow, and the N73 is slowish but the N95 with the 1st fw is fast, i was very impressed with the speed of my N95 when i got it on release. |
Dogmann
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Hi all,
Sorry but the first N73 i had was neither slow or buggy and i certainly don't buy any device purely based on it's camera. My N93 was defiantly not slow or buggy and after the 2nd firmware upgrade that was released within a couple of months was very stable as well, yes it required some active input via a Task Manager but that is a problem faced by all Symbian9.1 devices and so what it really isn't that difficult to live with or work with. It still did everything i wanted without it restarting to improve performance or kicking up constant Kern Exec 3 errors either.
I really wish people would get over this misconception that because it is a smart phone or to be more accurate a Nokia smart phone it is slow as that is just rubbish and untrue. If you want to talk about slow smart phones talk about UIQ3 now they were slow although eventually now some 9 months later they have improved.
These 2 two devices that have been announced are running a well established fast and stable OS and personally i can't wait to see them released as i can really see myself i having at last one of them. These devices really do offer an outstanding up to date spec and something for every one depending on what is important to to you, and that's what manufacturers should be doing giving there users choice and delivering innovative quality products. Competition between manufacturers is good and pushes forward development and hold costs down to us the end user. But if you look at the N82 and compare it to the K850 or what ever it may be called one is just a Cybershot Camera phone the offer a full smart phone how can you possibly compare the two fairly?
If they are going to also be roughly the same price as the N73/K800 where it actually makes it worse as one then appears rather expensive for just a camera phone and nothing else. Also i don't know who suggested that most people only want to call and text but i think you will find as our devices have become faster and more powerful and Mobile Data has also now greatly improved speeds and if you are with the right Network reasonable cost. Many more users are indeed making use of all the functionality of their devices no need to fire up a PDA or laptop to send and receive e-mail and use your calendar or even some web browsing can all be done with ease from a single device at long last. One last thing if you don't Ike Nokia fair enough just deny yourself the pleasure of some outstandingly well specced devices and continue to wait for your manufacturer of choice to deliver if you want to pay more for less that's fine by me to it's your money for your device feel free to do what suits you best
But please stop making crap up as how bad devices that haven't even been released are going to be based on your biased misconceptions all because it's not from SE. As soon as SE offers me something i think it is great or i want I'll buy it. Obviously not when first released because i no longer personally trust SE to deliver what they promise and will wait to make sure this time before purchase. But so far they have not announced anything to really garb my attention yet, although the extra 64mb Ram in the P1 may well do it. I will wait and see just how good it actually is on a launch and if the screen is any better plus of course what price it is.
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@dogmann
if you were refering to me as one of those people you describe in your last paragraph, im not talking about any future phones (n81 n82) and how their software will be, just added a little comment about my experiences with n80/n73 into the above posters little conversation they had going about s60 in n73 etc......
but of my post though, ALL phones have bugs, so i dont expect these n81/n82 to be perfect on arrival, nor any future phone...
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