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WhyBe
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@borisisinvin:
If you haven't already, maybe you should get rid of your X1 before the return period is up. This ain't the phone for you  | |
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MyP910
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@borisisinvin
as a phone, X1 is fast. as for the panel, as somone said waiting for 2 - 4 seconds is slow, but to me its not and I'm not switching the panel quite often. my default panel is tge sony ericsson panel since I like to see a lot of information on the screen (calendar,appointment, task list, connectivity...).
but as a phone, it is fast. most of the applications( phonebook, dialer, sms, email, calendar, ym...) load instantly with no waiting time (maybe because I let all the applications running at the background). Even the tomtom load very fast compared to p910 and the gps lock faster than my bluetooth gps receiver.
the phone is fast. I don't know if we are talking on a different phone here.
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Malkmus
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So, I just want to get this straight. Is stereo bluetooth broken in this phone? I seem to see only one or two people complaining about this, yet I've seen no one state that it works. I'm more interested in hearing from those of you X1 owners who keep stating that the phone has absolutely no problems. Does stereo bluetooth work? Or am I just the only person who hates wires and therefore the only one who cares? |
borisisinvin
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On 2008-12-12 05:43:13, MyP910 wrote:
@borisisinvin
as a phone, X1 is fast. as for the panel, as somone said waiting for 2 - 4 seconds is slow, but to me its not and I'm not switching the panel quite often. my default panel is tge sony ericsson panel since I like to see a lot of information on the screen (calendar,appointment, task list, connectivity...).
but as a phone, it is fast. most of the applications( phonebook, dialer, sms, email, calendar, ym...) load instantly with no waiting time (maybe because I let all the applications running at the background). Even the tomtom load very fast compared to p910 and the gps lock faster than my bluetooth gps receiver.
the phone is fast. I don't know if we are talking on a different phone here.
[ This Message was edited by: MyP910 on 2008-12-12 04:45 ]
You know what, you may have a point there with that. I close all of my apps after I'm done using them. Im a total control freak. Has your phone locked up on you btw while browsing/switching the panels? It seems that if I don't remember to do a soft reset every night I can expect it to lock up (hard, like I mentioned before) the next day like clock work... It's extremely annoying to say the least.
@Whybe, actually I bought the phone unlocked from a Hong Kong importer on eBay for close to MSRP, and am now stuck with my phone. Believe me, if I could I would have already returned this pig in lipstick for a FULL refund. I had the phone for about a day and a half when I sold my N95 8GB... So, needless to say I'm extremely frustrated with my purchase. I went so far as to play with a display model in a Sony Style store and read many glowing reviews on the device from many different sources (one from a now decidedly quiet Mizzle who gave an exceptionally glowing review of the phone that I took at face value) before making what I thought to be a informed purchase. I have never owned a WM phone, and had modest expectations for this device (since I knew it was a WM powered device after all, and generally reviled for that by the critics, and rightfully so). I can't express in words how much I dislike WM... Aside from the obvious problem I have with the WM OS, I don't think that SE did enough on their end to hide that monster, or even deliver the goods on what they promised (I'm looking at you Media Experience Panel...). I think I'm with in my rights to do a little bitchin' and moaning for the $750.00 I just spent on my device. If what I'm saying helps any other buyers on the fence avoid a big purchase they may regret in the future, then all the better for me.
@ malkmus stereo bluetooth works. You can get it to stream and play on a stereo bluetooth enabled deck or set of headphones, provided the deck or headphones can initiate the connection with the phone THEMSELVES. I can listen to music over my car deck, however I can NOT control my music (with AVCRP) when using the Sony Media Experience Panel, which as I've mentioned many times before is a broken piece of software. I believe AVCRP support works with WMP as someone else mentioned, but have yet to try it. So, as you can see it's a far from perfect implementation.
@ Any of you still on the fence about this phone and/or WM who don't have any experience with this particular OS, here's the conclusion to a recent "Battlemodo" from Gizmodo about Opera 9.5 on the Xperia, Touch Pro, and Omnia. It nicely summarizes my feelings about WM way better than I ever could, while also talking about it's now very obvious shortcomings (hindsight is 20 20 as they say). It also addresses and rebuts any argument any here would make to defend WM on the X1:
Conclusion
So where would I slot Opera 9.5 overall if I were to slide it into the previous browser battle? I'd give it a B-. It has a great, desktop-y UI (though I wish a few of the buttons were a smidge bigger, taking into consideration fat fingers and the inadequacies of resistive touchscreens). It's really competent, and it has a solid zoom metaphor, with the double taps usually working like a charm. And it has extras like tabs. But, and this is the big but, it still doesn't feel quite as smooth or instantly responsive as Safari or Android's browser. It's clearly an OS issue, though, not an Opera one.
Speaking to that, testing these three phones actually took longer than it did to test the six in the original Battlemodo, entirely because of how much wrestling I had to do with Windows Mobile. I've used close to a dozen Windows Mobile devices over the last year, and it's still a bitch.
If you haven't noticed in our reviews of Windows Mobile phones, we've basically ceased comparing to them anything but other WM phones, in a wishful attempt at dulling our totally appropriate disdain for the OS, lest the review essentially turn into one giant bitchfest. They're clearly off in their own world of performance and function.
Even ceding the point that Windows Mobile is somehow more functional than the iPhone or Android, it's like comparing one of those 100-in-1 kitchen gadgets that'll blend, slice, dice, toast, saute, braise, set the table, clean the dishes AND suck you off while it's doing all that to a Waring MX1000 blender. It doesn't matter how much the all-in-one gadget can technically do if you can't figure out how to use it, and it performs every task with only mediocre results.
If the iPhone ran half as poorly as Windows Mobile phones, Apple haters would (rightfully) scream as loudly as Apple fanboys do about Vista. If any BlackBerry was as much of a flustercuck, reviewers would trash the crap out of it. I'm sorry, but at this point, any apologist left defending Windows Mobile is either delusional or full of crap—either way, not worth listening to.
I won't touch another Windows Mobile phone until WM7 or at least 6.5, no matter how awesome the hardware looks. Call me when it runs Android.
Hope that helps anyone still on the fence about this phone. Knowing what I now know, I would have waited for the N97.
-mike
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borisisinvin
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Sorry about all of the negativity everyone, or if I sound like a total Debby Downer. There are some good features I really like about this phone (for instance the threaded messages, the camera touch focus feature, and the task app), however the bad (mostly WM) IMO severely outweighs and negates any of the good I feel when using the phone. I hope SE plans on updating the Media Experience Panel in the immediate future. Is there even a way to update the panels btw? Whatever the case, rant over.
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I have to agree with the Gizmodo review borisinvin posted - that's the truth of Windows Mobile at the tail end of 2008. I wish it weren't so, I like the featureset of WM and I spent the last year trying to iron out the wrinkles in my otherwise very capable WM phone, but there are just too many issues that marr the user experience and negate the usefulness of many of those features. The slowness always comes back over time, the little lags and freezes, the interface problems that always trip you up when you just need to get something done quickly - there's no escaping any of it in the current generation of devices.
The basic aims of WM are laudable, in principle it's a supremely strong phone OS, but the reality is a different story. I'm quite interested in the rumours of a "Microsoft Phone" mind - if MS could marry up the right hardware with an improved WM7 and produce something that wasn't cobbled together by committee but by the OS vendor itself, then that could actually be a very strong contendor.
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Hobbs
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Shame Borisisinvin.I hope with a litle time and patience your X1 experience improves.
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doministry
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I postponed my phone upgrade to the 2009, around March. Until then, I stay with P1i, very good and complete anyway.
But X1 is considered as a replacement. I know would be nice to read these 450 pages, but I still have not enough time to do so
So please, as I know these negative comments,
may I ask
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max_wedge
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That review is quite biased. I'm not saying there aren't some valid points made, but the significance of the WM flaws are WAY over exaggerated.
The fact is WM is NOT the best phone OS. A200, s60 top it easily. However there are phone OS's that are worse. s40 is pretty crap and while it may have a few (not many) ergonomic advantages over WM, who in their right mind would use an s40 phone over a WM phone?
It's not that WM is so bad, it has flaws but it's certainly usable as a phone OS, but I think people get frustrated by what it could be and forget what it is. It's a pocketpc (by heritage) with a phone in it. The phone works, it does the job, and yes it could be better, but it's still far preferable to some of the lamer attempts at phone os's out there, plus it's a powerful application platform to boot.
People have to get over this expectation of WM, and X1 by extension, being some kind of one size fits all mobile phone handset. Even more than that, CAN WE PLEASE get over this bullshit belief that just because SE says panels are going to be wonderful, that they will magically turn into some miracle of modern mobile ergonomics? Please?
Since when did any manufacturer's (ie: Apple, SE, Microsoft, Nokia etc etc) marketing hyperbole amount to anything more than wild claims that turn out to be nothing more than vaguely parallel to reality (but even then more divergent than parallel)? I mean, these guys spew out all sorts of crap, no one has any right to complain that it turns out to be bullshit. If you belief this crap you have to have screw loose.
Nokia: the N95 is a mini computer. Gee whiz, so what was windows mobile doing all those years. Or UIQ? Tell me PLEASE how was N95 so far different that it finally deserved the title "mini computer" when all that had gone before didn't? Okay, another misnomer sprouted about the place: DVD Quality. WTF?? DVD QUALITY?? Huh? Have you EVER seen DVD quality on a mobile phone. I know I sure as shit haven't. But do I blast Nokia at every opportunity? Do I moan on and on about how they "lied" to me? No, because when ever I read any of themarketing crap these companies put out, SE included, I laugh to myself and say "yeah right".
Apple: Ooh, it has Internet and Email. Holy F$%K, I'm buying one RIGHT NOW. Damn, it can play music, wooow. That's new. I haven't been listening to gigabytes of music since my K750, that's must have been my imagination.
The MAC versus MS ads: yes windows crashes all the time, it's so unreliable (I'm writing this on a VISTA laptop that has NEVER crashed on me yet. It's over 3 years old and has had vista on it for 12 months or more. I regularly use it with CS2, Olympus Master and Photomatix to edit 10 or more 10MP images concurrently. Again it NEVER CRASHES. Oh it's never had a virus either).
SE: Cybershot! Oh it has Cybershot on the label it must be a "real" camera. Oh it h as Walkman on it it must be a real music phone (again what was freaking wrong with my K750's music playing ability??)
SE: X1 ooh it has panels it must be an iphone killer. Ooh it looks pretty... Where is multi-touch? where is the fluidity of the iphone interface design? Anyone who believed X1 had some sort of magical iphone dragon killing ability has watched Lord of the Rings a few times too many.
The fact is the X1 is a good phone, well within the limits of what one can reasonably expect from WM at this stage of the game. To expect more is delusion and I fail to see why anyone needs to moan and bitch about how they have been "deceived", "lied to", "ripped off" or any other of a wide variety of adjectives some malcontents are using.
GET OVER IT!!
Innov8, N96, C902 are just a few words that describe phones with well designed and established mobile phone interfaces. If X1 and WM doesn't rock your boat then don't buy the thing.
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MyP910
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On 2008-12-12 10:43:55, borisisinvin wrote:
You know what, you may have a point there with that. I close all of my apps after I'm done using them. Im a total control freak. Has your phone locked up on you btw while browsing/switching the panels? It seems that if I don't remember to do a soft reset every night I can expect it to lock up (hard, like I mentioned before) the next day like clock work... It's extremely annoying to say the least.
borisisinvin,
Your problems are weird. I think you got a faulty phone.
My phone never locked up on me. Not in the switching/browsing panels and not in any other applications. I don't have to do any soft or hard reset. I've once did a hard reset long time ago due to one of the application that I install.
for your information, at the moment, I've never switch off my X1 for 3 weeks straight, and it still running perfectly. When I check my memroy usage, at the moment the phone is using 42% of memory with several applications running. Most of the time I don't use the `x' button to close the application, I only use `ok' button so the application still running in the memory.
I think, you need to return back the phone.
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max_wedge
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btw, thanks everyone for putting up with my rant, now you know how I felt reading that WM bitch rant 
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doministry
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max wedge
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WhyBe
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On 2008-12-12 09:29:05, Malkmus wrote:
So, I just want to get this straight. Is stereo bluetooth broken in this phone? I seem to see only one or two people complaining about this, yet I've seen no one state that it works. I'm more interested in hearing from those of you X1 owners who keep stating that the phone has absolutely no problems. Does stereo bluetooth work? Or am I just the only person who hates wires and therefore the only one who cares?
Stereo bluetooth works for me. I use it both in WMP and SE Media Experience. I have a Sony DR-BT22 stereo bluetooth headset. The AVRCP functionality is another issue though. WMP handles it but not the panel.
@max wedge
That was a kick-ass rant 
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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borisisinvin
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@ Max Wedge I guess my beef is that I didn't know what to expect with WM this late in the year 2008. I didn't know that lock-ups and freezes in the OS were to be expected daily from the phone, and part of WM's charm. I'm just now noticing people saying "this phone doesn't freeze as much", or " lock-ups on this phone are rare" in forums. What revision of WM is this again? I didn't know that small menu icons and navigation bars for simple contact look-ups would require stylus use EVERY TIME, practically making it impossible to use the phone one handed. I didn't know that I would have to carry around another phone to use as a regular phone or PMP to enjoy my media with this device, like many current users and professionals who use WM do, just to get a all around decent phone and PMP experience (btw carrying around 2 phones is lame). I feel that what I got as a relative novice to this OS is unacceptable. No wonder Microsoft has ceded so much market share in the smart phone market worldwide in two short years to a relative newcomer like Apple and it's iPhone. The user experience on the X1 blows because of it, no matter how much anyone here denies it or tries to explain it away. I think critics like Giz and the like are partly to blame for what I'm now experiencing and feeling. Like they plainly state in the article I quoted, they, and to a greater extent everyone else now a days don't compare WM devices to other phones with different OS's when reviewing the device in question, which in and of itself is a flawed logic when going about the review process. In the end, this only screws over the consumer. "Gee, you mean to tell me I'm getting the best WM device out there? Nice, but wait, what does that mean exactly?..." Well, just because you have the nicest and best pinto out there, that doesn't necessarily mean that you have the best car out there too. Again, everyone this is all just my vexed opinion based on MY user experience (or the opinion of a "malcontent" if you like, which I'd take over the word of a delusionist any day), so take it with a grain of salt...
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WhyBe
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@borisisinvin
Well the old adage rings true here: RTFM!
If you are new to WM then you should study it, learn it, THEN decide whether it's for you or not. It is not as intuitive as iPhone or other phones but is every bit as functional and quick once you have learned and optimized it. All of your problems seem to stem from lack of knowledge rather than flat out being WM fault. We can all agree WM needs work, but, it is a very competent phone OS. If your crashing all the time, then get rid of the garbage software you installed, stop doing tweaks, and just stick to the basics until you become more proficient with it.
I enjoy media on the X1 (both audio and video) media playerS, I don't use stylus with contacts nor is it required. Yes, there are certain segments of the OS that calls for the stylus, but that is few and far between (try using the OK button).
Alot of the WM bitching is over the top (as max says). Just take a few moments and learn what can be done, and not be done, and what shortcuts can be set up. It is not difficult riding a bike once you've learned how to balance. | |
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Posted: 2008-12-12 03:28
