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borisisinvin
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Like mentioned above, everyone should seriously look over the N97 if you're in the market for a X1, and are not in a rush to get one. My X1 unfortunately comes in the mail today, and had I known about this monster I may have waited, maybe, though probably not tbh.... | |
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WhyBe
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I don't know if I could ever do the plasticy thing again since owning my X1. |
Tigershark42
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I dont get it, what is so great about the N97? The X1 trumps it in quite a number of ways. I suppose the only reason to get it overthe X1 would be for S60 over WM. But given that the prices will be about the same, theres clearly no way Id choose that rubbish over an X1. I mean COME ON!!! N*kia designers cant draw to save their lives!!! Its clearly just a mix of X1, iphone and Tytn II, but with no unique styling of its own. But noone will look at X1 and tell you its not unique. Besides, X1 also manages to be a good deal smaller than the silly gender-confused (am I, or am I not a PDA?) N97. |
mrmilo69
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Without seeing the platform in action i can't comment on it so i don't know if i could be won over there. I'm a first time user of WM but i genuinely love it. The N97 looks monstrous unfortunately, absolutely ghastly. The specs are impressive, the memory perhaps a bit excessive but it seems like a well rounded machine, i hope SE actually challenge this new phone with something exceptional unlike their challenge against the N95. A few months down the line if i saw the N97 in black with a few aesthetic tweaks i could change my mind though!
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se_dude
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The XPERIA looks and feels like a premium device irrespective of what is in the market. The N97 will be in the market in Q2 2009 and as reported by many websites, SE will undergo serious cost cutting in the 1st Q of 2009 as a result of which, their phones wil come down to a more competitive price. If you are willing to wait, then do so, but i know people who have waited and then something else strikes their mind and they keep waiting again.  |
se_dude
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Extremely positive review we have here. Well done SE.
http://www.phonearena.com/htm[....]a-X1-Review-review-r_2072.html |
Malkmus
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On 2008-12-03 03:12:28, Tigershark42 wrote:
I dont get it, what is so great about the N97? The X1 trumps it in quite a number of ways. I suppose the only reason to get it overthe X1 would be for S60 over WM. But given that the prices will be about the same, theres clearly no way Id choose that rubbish over an X1. I mean COME ON!!! N*kia designers cant draw to save their lives!!! Its clearly just a mix of X1, iphone and Tytn II, but with no unique styling of its own. But noone will look at X1 and tell you its not unique. Besides, X1 also manages to be a good deal smaller than the silly gender-confused (am I, or am I not a PDA?) N97.
Okay, I'll bite. I think it's pretty extreme to call the N97 rubbish. As someone who plans on buying the X1 within the next few weeks, I have to say I'll probably be getting it as a placeholder until the N97 comes out. Not sure how the X1 "trumps the N97 in a number of ways"...
As far as I can tell the X1 only has two things on the N97: sleeker design and higher resolution screen. Here are the reasons why I'll most likely switch to the N97 from the X1 when it comes out:
5mp camera without crippled video for Americans, like the QVGA video the X1a has.
Nokia Nseries phones have always boasted VERY loud speakers, great for handsfree calling or music/radio. I've read several reviews and opinions that the X1 speaker is too low. In California, where driving while talking on the phone is illegal, the handsfree is a must, and I don't like bluetooth headsets.
Larger 3.5 inch screen 16million colors. Another often-mentioned setback of the X1 is its small screen and tiny font size, especially for menus. Also,only 65 thousand colors.
Dual LED flash vs X1's "photolight"
GPS Digital compass
Proximity sensor. The X1 does not. This turns the screen off when it senses it's close to your face when making a call, therfore saving batter life.
32gb included memory plus expandable slot for up to 48gb. X1 comes with virtually no storage space out of the box and current SD cards are mostly 16gb.
The tilting screen is subjective, but I like the idea that I can set the N97 in front of me, say in an airplane, and watch movies like a mini laptop. The X1 lays flat, except a slight curve, so you'd need to prop it up against something.
Accelerometer. The X1 has none.
TV out. The X1 has none.
More space between the keys on the QWERTY keypad, and (this is just my own speculation) probably more responsive keypad buttons. The X1 has been criticized a lot for the keypad buttons being too "soft". If the N97 is the same as its Nokia QWERTY brethren E90 or E71 this shouldn't be a problem.
Like I said, I plan on getting the X1, but will likely go for the N97 eventually based on the above facts. And Tigershark, please don't look at this as a an attack on you, you asked what's so great about the N97 and I'm just answering. 
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Malkmus
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On 2008-12-03 03:44:21, mrmilo69 wrote:
Without seeing the platform in action i can't comment on it so i don't know if i could be won over there. I'm a first time user of WM but i genuinely love it. The N97 looks monstrous unfortunately, absolutely ghastly. The specs are impressive, the memory perhaps a bit excessive but it seems like a well rounded machine, i hope SE actually challenge this new phone with something exceptional unlike their challenge against the N95. A few months down the line if i saw the N97 in black with a few aesthetic tweaks i could change my mind though!
[ This Message was edited by: mrmilo69 on 2008-12-03 02:45 ]
Here is the N97 in black:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgOiw8Z7TX8&feature=related
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se_dude
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Make it more RAM for the X1 with dedicated graphics Ram and also a better proccy and full metal finish. Also, it isnt the N97 competitor either, we will see more in the upcoming months,esp in MWC. We would obviously expect a phone, which has been announced 10 months after the X1 to have btter specs. |
Angello
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hehe N97 is one of the best phones from nokia next year. the X1 is not 
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se_dude
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Angello please, something about the next high end device by SE. |
Dogmann
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@all,
Some of you really seem to have missed the point of what this device is targeted at, it is a N Series device not a E series device it is not the E90 replacement that is still to come and will build on the N97 specs.
I much prefer a true widescreen larger screen and will reserve comment on the lower resolution until i actually see it in action. It just doesn't need as much Ram or as fast a processor as the X1 because it's not WM it's just that simple WM has always needed more processor and Ram that's nothing new and to pretend different is well silly.
The N97 from Nokia's own blurb tells you it's aimed at the Internet Social Networking and entertainment market of course it will still run most if not all Business apps but it's not an E series Business class device.
The one thing it has managed to do though is with it's Web Runtime Widgets put active Widgets on the Home screen that run in real time. Just like SE said their panels would do but as yet have failed to deliver.
Enjoy your X1's as the N97 won't be out till some time in the first half of next year and wait and see what the E90 replacement offers as IMO that will build on the N97's specs and improve on them greatly.
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Tigershark42
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@ Malkmus,
not at all, in fact you actually raised some good points, some of which I hadn't thought of before. But I maintain what I said. Ok ok, 'rubbish' was abit over the top, but that was there mainly just to silence everyone who suddenly thought so much more of the N97 than the X1, and also because I genuinely do think its better in any case. I agree the N97 has a few more peripheral features, like a tv out, and a compass, for some reason (why, when you have google maps? I dont know) and a proximity sensor, but all those are things I for one could very easily live without (in fact, it makes me question whether I would want to pay more to have a device with these features at all).
But what really suprises me is the way they call it the best/smallest mobile computer currently available. I'm sorry, but its not just the X1 its challenging there. With that statement its trying to push aside the entire Winmo camp, and that is just ridiculous. With the likes of HTC Touch Diamond, HTC Touch Pro, HTC Touch HD and the Xperia X1 (and possibly even the HTC Tytn II), N97 is being pitted in a battle it just cant and wont win. All the above mentioned devices are absolute titans which will trump the N97 on not only features and capabilites, but sheer computing power (processing, RAM, document handling, email handling, etc). So it really doesn't make much sense to me. They probably shouldve made it winmo if they wanted to really make that claim.
The N97 screen (for me anyway) doesnt come close to that of the X1. Put them side by side and the x1 will put the N97 to shame there, because most people wont notice the different number of colours, but will definately notice the huge difference in resolution. Another thing I wanted to mention was: Im not convinced by the sliding mechanism it uses (where it automatically tilts the screen up). The angle looks like it is abit too much. This is not like the HTC Tytn II, where you could angle it the way you wanted. The 'one slant fits all' approach adopted there seems a pretty presumptuous design decision to me. Sounds like something which would initially be a great novelty, but then would get pretty annoying.
I dont want to get into software, but the X1 has: Opera 9.5, Panels UI, SPB shell (as a panel), Facebook (as a panel), Google (as a panel), MSN (as a panel), all as standard fare. Then you can get flash lite 3, core player, etc etc etc. To me S60 touch (with there being no difference in the touch which WM has used for years) is therefore beaten, but to each his own there. The accelerometer issue is where the X1 falls flat, as well as the speaker (granted). X1 wins again on battery life, N-series has always lost to SE there  , and finally, even with looks aside, there is the issue of build quality. it would take much longer to break an X1 than to break that N*kia. the X1 will survive more use with less build issues. Being made of metal isnt only an aesthetic choice.
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WhyBe
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I think the greatest deciding factor between smartphones should be the available software. We'll have to see how things work out software-wise for the N97. I think:
-more useful panels
-WVGA WinMo software
-a ROM update from SE
-PlayNow service
-WinMo 6.5
(in other words, a finished X1  )
will keep X1 a strong competitor well into 2009. The N97 will be starting from ground zero with touch software.
@Dogmann
I don't see why Nokia would release a successor to the E90. It seems like the E90 has been absorbed into the N97. What features would an E90 successor bring ? Has one been announced ? |
mrmilo69
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I watched the black N97 video, 3 things i didn't like or wasn't impressed with. The end of the sliding motion looked clunky, and the start screen was nice but providing the panels come further in the months leading up to the launch i'd be happy with those, and i can't stand the camera shutter! It does look a lot nicer black though, the proximity sensor is a nice feature but not something i need or would miss and neither is an accelerometer but it does give the impression of a more well rounded device. | |
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