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brym!
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@pxt:Yeah, I must give kudos to AYA. He actually influenced my trying out a symbian smartphone last year and today I'm using my third smartphone on a different platform. Guess what? I am gradually becoming a little guru of sorts with Windows Mobile smartphones. Prior to that I was totally ENSLAVED to SE phones(just check out the history of my bondage...T68i,T300,T310,T610,K700,K500). Thanks to the reverend gentleman, I am free indeed! Somebody shout Alleluyah 
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abubakar
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@AYA: I clearly said SE phones are a better bang for the buck. I never even mentioned your choice in buying an E61 till a few posts back. Like I said earlier, you might have some issues with your phone that you feel the need to defend it.
Quoting fractions of my sentences and arguing them out of context makes this discussion fruitless. I said:
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The reason Nokia is more popular is because they have been in the phone game longer than SE and have had lots of past glory (like the 3310). They also had been spending the most on advertising/ marketing.
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If you disagree with that point don’t dissect just one aspect. it’s the BEING LONGER IN THE GAME + PAST GLORY + ADVERTIZING + MARKETING that I mentioned made Nokia's success. It goes without saying they also produce quality goods (as I have said before) but they are usually more expensive than the SE with very similar or exact features. I don’t think you need that much facts and figures to tell that Nokia had long been advertising much more than SE. It was only last year with the launch of the K750i that I began seeing SE adverts on billboards, newspapers, magazines, TV etc. Maybe you never noticed but I did. Any one else here notice that?
When I spoke of past glories I am talking of relatively. Back then with 3310, you had it or you had a dud. It was the quintessential phone of the time. All the phones you mention now are good but not as record breaking as the 3310, Motorola startac or the K750i. these are revolutionary phones.
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Beyond features, there are other criteria established over the years why people pick devices. I'll give you a few:
1. Performance
2. Usability (its fact that Nokia has been king here for years, and that it helped build its strong following)
3. Looks (Samsung has been king here for years, though others are beginning to encroach)
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Most phone mags use those same criteria’s. Check out the Sept or November editions of What Mobile mag. Unless they are biased, you'll see SE phones getting better grades in total than Nokia in total.
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Maybe. And maybe not. Again, people buy different products for different reasons. I have already dealt with this up there. A typical Samsung within a price bracket has far less features than a Nokia or SE within the same bracket. Yet there are people (fully aware of the difference) will pick "Sam".
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Staying to the theme of the argument, because someone is willing (and eager) to buy it does that mean the phone is superior or the phone co produces superior phones?
The razr example is an excellent one. Definitely no phone can have all features. But I was not gauging just one feature of one phone. I was gauging all the phones a company makes. I'd never say "SE produces the slimmest phones!!!". (till they actually do!!!)
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While we are agreed on certain things, here's something I learnt to come to terms with a few years ago: the world is not utopia. The majority of people apparently do not care that SE meets their "need" cheaper than Nokia. People don't choose products simply based on a features v.s. cost basis. Regardless of what you and I think, there is more to life than features and prices. That's why, for example, fashion phones that cost an arm and a leg will continue to sell. And probably outsell those phones that are really value for money. Ultimately, for some, fashion is a need.
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I agree with all of that! But if you are going to compare phone companies products, how else can it be done than cost/feature. Cant be by popularity. Cant be solely on unique features. (Especially if they all have their unique specs).
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Interesting. You are missing out something: the fact that there are phones that do not have half the features the E61 (or M600i) has but cost the same or more. Plenty of them in the market. I can name one or two Samsungs, for example, that fit in. Yet people buy them. Why? They like the clamshell (or slider) form factor; don't care for email on a mobile; and prefer a phone that sings every time you push a button to one that allows them read a Word document.
That's called "needs". And its as specific as it can be.
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You keep arguing on peoples needs when the discussion is on who makes the best phones. I dont understand how these needs reflect on how SE is producing better or worse phones. Virtually all phones co.s produce phones with wide range of specs. I think where we diverge is that i look at the final cost on the buyer for those features while you are just looking at the features. You would agree that what ever samsung that costs as much as your E61 but has only half its features is an over priced phone, unless it has some other fabulous features (like it is the size of a pin, or it displays holographic images!!!). If samsungs phones are mainly like that I would grade them lower than Nokia. that is how i see it.
I dont see most people buying phones due to thier "needs" (except phone phoning needs or posing needs), let me emphasis on most. I dont gauge the most popular performer as the best performer. Its just like on american idol. The person who wins is usually good but not necessarily the best. Its just like saying Coke is more refreshing or tastes better than pepsi.But if that is how you grade phone co.s, thats your perogative. But lets just leave it that we see the market from different perspectives.
And fiiiiiiinaly....
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Let's prepare a warm welcome for the eviction party! Where's the party at?
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Put a little more funk in ya lingo!!! Its WHERE DA PARDI AT!!!!!!!!!!
TRUCE!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve lost too many hours on this and not on my website!!!!!
PS I believe brix was trying to point out that the way you use your phone may not be the most comfortable. You seem to be taking it a little too personal there. I dont think anyone thought it was wrong to check mail etc on the phone, just that it wont be comfortable with the types of phones available at the time(and the trend might not have follwers to be profitable). With the advent of blackberry and similar devices that is all behind us now.
@ALL: NEW PNF POLL!!!
Do you think the anticipated 3G services will be costlier, equal to or (????) cheaper than the current GPRS services?
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OluYom
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@abu: I finally agree 100% with you on one thing: continuing this debate is pointless.
You sparked it, fuelled it, changed the goalpost at will, accuse me of taking you out of context when you have been consistently guilty of same (without a protest from me), and finally think I'm taking things too personal, when in fact a number of statements bordering on being insulting have been thrown at me.
Its really no use, I must agree. And I will take you up on the truce you offered. Let's move on.
On your question, personally, I am not certain about what 3G pricing will be about. EDGE (if and when it comes onstream) will certainly be the same as GPRS, as the two cannot be separated. But whatever 3G will cost, GPRS prices must fall for 3G to be taken up in a profitable way.
Worst-case scenario: GPRS fees fall and 3G will be fixed at what GPRS costs right now.
Best-case scenario: GPRS prices fall and 3G will be priced the same with them on the various networks.
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coolapostle
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I think 3G will be higher than the present GPRS rates. I don't even see the GPRS tariffs going low enough any jubilation. The networks just put out GPRS for bragging purposes. They are not making any money from it.
My hometown recently got Glo and MTN coverage. While GPRS is live on the glo network, it is not available (and may never be) on MTN. Meanwhile MTN will tell the world they have WAP/MMS "everywhere you go" in Nigeria.
ON THE SE/NOKIA CEASE-FIRE
During my search for a cheap phone a few weeks ago (in my little corner of the world) I discovered that SE beat Nokia for the best phones in the 7k-12k price range. It was really frustrating that I could not find ANY phone with the spec I wanted that was not SE. I nearly succumbed to the J-series but finally resigned for the dumb-but-good-looking Moto.
ON GLO
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abubakar
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@AYA: just to stop the cycle, i'll pm you with regards to any offensive statements you perceived. but like i said b4, i respect all comments, suggestions and the occasional yab. any yab musta been just to lighten the mood, not to insult. that shouldnt be accepted by anyone on the thread.
@coola: i 1st went to the glo site a few weeks back. i was really disappointed with the content.
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OluYom
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On 2006-09-19 13:45:53, coolapostle wrote:
ON GLO
I am ashamed to say that Glo updates its website ONCE EVERY YEAR during its anniversary. The latest version is now out: http://www.gloworld.com
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The Glo website is just one among numerous Nigerian websites that are rarely updated. Its sad. And it certainly is a waste. Some of those sites were built at ridiculous costs, but once you've visited once there's virtually no reason to return.
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ambyzown
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finally the duel seems to be over. I was just content to watch from the sidelines while u guys traded banter, look what happened to poor Brix who waded into the issue.  STILL RULES
On 3G data pricing, its going to cost the same (maybe even less) per kb of data as that of gprs. but on the whole u may end ur paying more because the tendency will be for u to browse more with a fast connection. |
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@amby: Maybe you can illuminate on what happened to me.
My argument was never for the M600, it was more about AYA's use of the E61...I still say that he is one of the few people who can afford and find use for a phone with primary features of little use in a place like Nigeria. The analogy of the Ferrari on a pot-holed road still sticks...get the road sorted out and maybe then we can talk of fancy technologies which will drive you at breakneck speed.
Just off topic: I saw something strange last night while watching tv, actually it's not strange since this is South Africa but there was a Nigerian guy (he's a SA citizen BTW) who just happens to be a member of our parliament grilling a state official on some other issue.
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abubakar
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ROUND 2: AMBY vs BRIX
@all: I saw the M600 on sale for N45k in the papers. Is that price for real?
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On 2006-09-20 19:35:16, abubakar wrote:
@all: I saw the M600 on sale for N45k in the papers. Is that price for real?
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Quite possible. It was around N52/N53k when I purchased my E61. 45k sounds right.
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ambyzown
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On 2006-09-20 19:35:16, abubakar wrote:
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ha ha Abu, I know what u're trying to do.
Yes the M600i is within the sub N45k range. I saw it at Slot for N43,500
@Brix: nothing "happened" to u, but the entire debacle is reminiscent of an outsider in the middle of a husband-wife conflict. |
abubakar
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@AYA: I was suspecting it was refurbished. If its new, who is willing to buy my S700i? |
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On 2006-09-20 23:49:00, ambyzown wrote:
@Brix: nothing "happened" to u, but the entire debacle is reminiscent of an outsider in the middle of a husband-wife conflict.
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So who's wearing the pants in this house? 
Liar liar pants on fire/ You burning up like David Koresh- Ghostface Killah |
abubakar
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oya, AY, talk now! |
OluYom
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On 2006-09-21 00:45:30, abubakar wrote:
oya, AY, talk now!
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Guess 
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