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@AYA: Thats why i have a laptop!!!! If i want to do some wbpage editing etc from my phone, i must be kinda inclined to screwing my eyes together to veiw everything on such a small screen, scrolling and scrolling thru pages. You cant tell me its more comfortable making such editting from a phone!!!
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On 2006-09-17 15:22:00, AYA wrote:
I'll be waiting. Just make sure you start from the very beginning of this thread. You'll also probably dig up my SE leanings as well 
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Im not saying you have always been a Communist Nokia Defector , Im just saying every time anything good is said about SE, you'd have a small commetary on Nokia. My link is bad so i'll postpone my "search for the Truth" when its better.
I havent seen the M600 myself but i read in What Mobile mag that the rocker qwerty is easy to assimilate.
Any how, i thank God for Nokia, for as they said in Vanilla Sky, "the sweet wouldnt be as sweet without the bitter!!"
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@abubakar: I doubt it very much that somehow your local networks will charge you extra for using EDGE...the settings for EDGE and GPRS are the same so there's no way they know whether you're an EDGE-enabled phone to charge you extra.
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On 2006-09-17 16:13:08, abubakar wrote:
@AYA: Thats why i have a laptop!!!! If i want to do some wbpage editing etc from my phone, i must be kinda inclined to screwing my eyes together to veiw everything on such a small screen, scrolling and scrolling thru pages. You cant tell me its more comfortable making such editting from a phone!!!
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I have a laptop too, dude. But lugging one around all the time is not my idea of being mobile. God knows how many times I have thanked Him for The Nokia 9500 and/or E61 (and before then the SE P800 and Moto A008!) at those moments and places where and when I needed to take urgent action on one thing or the other.
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I havent seen the M600 myself but i read in What Mobile mag that the rocker qwerty is easy to assimilate. |
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On which, here's my question again: what do I gain by having to learn a "slightly" different keyboard mechanism, when I have a regular keyboard available? What do I stand to gain by purchasing the M600i at a higher cost when the E61 costs less and provides me with the features and functionality that I need?
I really do not care for your SE sentiments. It just beats me silly that you still refuse to admit that so far there is not ONE single credible reason ANYONE has been able to give why I ought to have purchased the M600i.
I can imagine that someone else may have a very valid reason to choose the M600i over the E61, and that's okay with me. That seems to be the difference between you and me on this issue.
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Any how, i thank God for Nokia, for as they said in Vanilla Sky, "the sweet wouldnt be as sweet without the bitter!!" |
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Now the one who is definitely biased is you. The Gospel according to Abubakar seems to be: "If its not an SE, its trash". That, in my opinion, is a rather unfortunate position for anyone to hold.
Basically, I have defended my choice to purchase and use a particular phone based on my needs. The reasoning of that choice has not and cannot be flawed, based on available information. What's it with you that you just do not seem to be capable of letting the matter drop?
The E61 and all the other line-up of SE smartphones have not measured up to my clearly defined needs for about 2 years now. Nokia has had phones that efficiently addressed those needs.
I guess if you were in my shoes you would go ahead and get an SE anyway regardless of whether they best meet your needs or not. Bah!
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abubakar
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On 2006-09-17 19:59:24, AYA wrote:
I have a laptop too, dude. But lugging one around all the time is not my idea of being mobile. God knows how many times I have thanked Him for The Nokia 9500 and/or E61 (and before then the SE P800 and Moto A008!) at those moments and places where and when I needed to take urgent action on one thing or the other.
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I hope you dont have these emergencies too often. must be a stain on the eyes and thumbs!!! My laptop is always in the car so in case i need to do something quick fast its there. I would call it lugging around unless tou have a P1 beast. Im in enough shape to carry mine, sha.
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On which, here's my question again: what do I gain by having to learn a "slightly" different keyboard mechanism, when I have a regular keyboard available? What do I stand to gain by purchasing the M600i at a higher cost when the E61 costs less and provides me with the features and functionality that I need?
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But i dont think writing with the M600 would be like, say, learning to write with hand writting recognition apps. Any how, to each his own!!!
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I really do not care for your SE sentiments. It just beats me silly that you still refuse to admit that so far there is not ONE single credible reason ANYONE has been able to give why I ought to have purchased the M600i.
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Did i ever say you should buy the M600? I only said it has a quasi qwerty keyboard. If i was to give advise, would advise you to use your laptop and a cheaper phone!!! Your laptop would have WIFI and your phone GPRS.
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Now the one who is definitely biased is you. The Gospel according to Abubakar seems to be: "If its not an SE, its trash". That, in my opinion, is a rather unfortunate position for anyone to hold.
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Damn right Im biased!!! Im not saying the rest is trash, but i am saying SE gives more bang for the buck!!!! If you are not looking for particular features in a top end phone (like you) but are looking for a phone like an average joe, you have to admit SE gives great features. I cant feel "unfortunate" for being pragmatic. you are basing your judgement on high end phones and you particular needs. I judged it on the totality.
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Basically, I have defended my choice to purchase and use a particular phone based on my needs. The reasoning of that choice has not and cannot be flawed, based on available information. What's it with you that you just do not seem to be capable of letting the matter drop?
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Like i said earlier, I never said you made a bad choice with buying your E61. I only said SE kicks butt! Maybe you have some issues with it that you are projecting on me.
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I guess if you were in my shoes you would go ahead and get an SE anyway regardless of whether they best meet your needs or not. Bah!
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I would make a practical decision on make what i have work for me (like my S700i and my notebook) rather than buy a E61 (or a M600i) that wouldn't aid me to do my day-to-day activities (only in emergencies that are crucial enough to buy an expensive phone but not crucial enough to "lug" around my notebook!!!) Any how, lets let the matter drop. (SE still rocks!) (for the average joe!)
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On 2006-09-18 01:27:05, abubakar wrote:
If i was to give advise, would advise you to use your laptop and a cheaper phone!!! Your laptop would have WIFI and your phone GPRS. |
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Fortunately you are not in a position to advise me...
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And in this case? I take it for granted that we have been comparing the M600i with the E61.
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Again, that's where you miss it. You cannot base your judgements "on the totality" as that does not exist. Everyone has needs, even the average Joe. That's probably why with all the noise about SE having more features for the buck (which is generally true), 1 in every 3 mobiles in use is a Nokia. That's why some people will still buy a Sagem, or a Samsung, or any other model for that matter.
At times, the average Joe does not want those extra features SE puts in. At times what Joe is looking for is a more user-friendly interface. At times, he just wants a phone for voice calls and SMS. At other times, he just wants a phone that sings and dances.
Whatever it is Mr. Average Joe is looking for, it still boils down to needs. Specific needs.
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I cannot fault your choice at that. It works for you, and that is okay. On the other hand, my choices have worked excellently for me over the years, with results to show.
Which brings us back full circle to the point I keep drumming. Needs, not sentimental attachment, at the end of the day determine what each person uses.
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abubakar wrote:
If i was to give advise, would advise you to use your laptop and a cheaper phone!!! Your laptop would have WIFI and your phone GPRS.
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Fortunately you are not in a position to advise me...
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Fortunately the key phrase was "if I was to give advise". You were the one clamouring over how i was advising you. (when I wasnt, but could, and eventually did!!!)
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Like i said earlier, I never said you made a bad choice with buying your E61. I only said SE kicks butt!
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And in this case? I take it for granted that we have been comparing the M600i with the E61.
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your mistake not mine!! my eyesight is fine, 20-20 from not screwing at a small screen!!! Ithink that was Amby, if i remember correctly.
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If you are not looking for particular features in a top end phone (like you) but are looking for a phone like an average joe, you have to admit SE gives great features. I cant feel "unfortunate" for being pragmatic. you are basing your judgement on high end phones and you particular needs. I judged it on the totality
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Again, that's where you miss it. You cannot base your judgements "on the totality" as that does not exist. Everyone has needs, even the average Joe. That's probably why with all the noise about SE having more features for the buck (which is generally true), 1 in every 3 mobiles in use is a Nokia. That's why some people will still buy a Sagem, or a Samsung, or any other model for that matter.
At times, the average Joe does not want those extra features SE puts in. At times what Joe is looking for is a more user-friendly interface. At times, he just wants a phone for voice calls and SMS. At other times, he just wants a phone that sings and dances.
Whatever it is Mr. Average Joe is looking for, it still boils down to needs. Specific needs.
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Aha!!!!!! there you are wrong again!!!!! If you are basing the judgement of a companies phones (as I have been doing, not particular models) you have to judge them on a cost/feature basis (as i have been!!!). If you judge it on particular "needs" then every phone (even the crappiest phone in the world!!!!) will suit someones needs and he will grade it the best!!!! So thats where the cost/features basis comes in. Take all phones within a price range, check the features out. The one with the most/best features wins. Simple. And as you know, most times than not, its an SE.
The reason Nokia is more popular is because they have been in the phone game longer than SE and have had lots of past glory (like the 3310). They also had been spending the most on advertizing/ marketing. Coke sells the more than Pepsi in Naija and world wide, but is it because it is "really" better than pepsi? The coke image, marketing and availability makes the difference. half the people dont even know the difference if they took a blind taste test!!!
Most people buy phones without any real invstigation of what is out there, even those mildly feature conscience. they buy what thier friend or boss or colleague has. You and i both know if everyone looked for the best buy, SE sales would go thru the roof. (and cause its prices to go up, which is a bad thing for SE "enthusiates" like me!!)
And saying SE adds features people dont need is redundant if the phone is the same price or cheaper than the non-SE phone that doesnt have that feature. Catch my drift?
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We agree there!!!! As long as SE fulfills the majority of people's needs cheaper than Nokia, I'll stand behind them!!! The day Nokia drops its prices without slacking in features and quality, I'll be behind them!!!! (See, im not sentimental, just pragmatic!!!!!)
So on that note i think all has been said. We agree on so many things we argued over and dis agreed on things we didnt!!!!(like the average joe) Lets leave space for others to write before we are both evicted from PNF!!!
@brix: like I said, mark my words, these gsm companies know they wont get back thier investments in the timely manner they've gotten used to by screwing us over. Idont think they got much from GPRS! (its been free half the time, which is a good thing!!!) Since they'll roll out in only choice areas, it makes sense to broaden the subscriber base, but these guys are not looking at long term goals (if they were we wouldnt have bought the 1st set of sims at N30,000+ ($200+). They know we naija men will pay thru the nose to have a status symbol. Just ask AYA!!!! (AY my guy, I dey joke o!!!!!) Any how, time will tell!!!!
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On 2006-09-18 04:39:19, abubakar wrote:
your mistake not mine!! my eyesight is fine, 20-20 from not screwing at a small screen!!!:wink: Ithink that was Amby, if i remember correctly. |
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And you showed up not explaining yourself clearly, but start making statements that suggest you are rooting for his side of the debate?  What did you expect me to think?
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Interesting. You are missing out something: the fact that there are phones that do not have half the features the E61 (or M600i) has but cost the same or more. Plenty of them in the market. I can name one or two Samsungs, for example, that fit in. Yet people buy them. Why? They like the clamshell (or slider) form factor; don't care for email on a mobile; and prefer a phone that sings every time you push a button to one that allows them read a Word document.
That's called "needs". And its as specific as it can be.
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Wrong again. The phones that people buy the most win (that's why the 3310 will always be remembered). Beyond features, there are other criteria established over the years why people pick devices. I'll give you a few:
1. Performance
2. Usability (its fact that Nokia has been king here for years, and that it helped build its strong following)
3. Looks (Samsung has been king here for years, though others are beginning to encroach)
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Do you have specific facts based on research and analysis to back this? Some brands are newer than others and yet have a more popular following than some older brands.
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And lots of present glories like the all-dancing, all-singing N and E series, and their excellent budget 1xxx phones for the average Joe, as you put it
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That just adds to the list of things SE needs to learn from Nokia and Samsung
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Maybe. And maybe not. Again, people buy different products for different reasons. I have already dealt with this up there. A typical Samsung within a price bracket has far less features than a Nokia or SE within the same bracket. Yet there are people (fully aware of the difference) will pick "Sam".
They do not care for the high-tech gizmo. They do not care that they cost the same. We see this all the time when people make their choices of cars, clothes, whatever.
Look at the RAZR, as a functionality-biased person, I see nothing special about that phone. Yet, so many people went out and shelled out bucks for that phone when there were smarter devices that cost the same or less on the market. Why? Maybe because their uppermost need was a slim phone. Or the desire to be "hip". Or whatever. But its what they want. Or need.
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While we are agreed on certain things, here's something I learnt to come to terms with a few years ago: the world is not utopia. The majority of people apparently do not care that SE meets their "need" cheaper than Nokia. People don't choose products simply based on a features v.s. cost basis. Regardless of what you and I think, there is more to life than features and prices. That's why, for example, fashion phones that cost an arm and a leg will continue to sell. And probably outsell those phones that are really value for money. Ultimately, for some, fashion is a need.
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Let's prepare a warm welcome for the eviction party!  Where's the party at?
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@abu: This debate is becoming pointless. I don't see the wisdom of editing web pages from a phone...hell, we can all steer a car with our two feet but that does not mean it has to be done. AYA loves his new toy and no matter how useless it is to most people, especially in Nigeria, let him enjoy the exclusivity that it affords him.
You guys might be interested to know that our own mario2003 aka mario2004 had his esato account hijacked after he installed an application on his phone that turned it into a server...visitors to his website(hosted on his phone) could access his passwords and usernames and thus made him vulnerable to all sorts of attacks both in the real and cyber worlds.
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Yeah!!! as long as there is coke, pepsi will always come second. Likewise SE will always come second to nokia.
On behalf of PNF i thank Abu and Aya (before una go exchange blows for cyberspace)
@ALL... MTN gprs in my area is nothing to write home about. I need glo gprs settings
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On 2006-09-18 10:16:47, brix25 wrote:
I don't see the wisdom of editing web pages from a phone... |
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The same way many people did not see the wisdom of reading and editing their Word documents or checking email on their phones a few years ago?
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And the older ones too. I did the sme things on the 9500 for over a year. It is not about the E61. It seems to me now that its really about people who refuse to understand that the world is bigger than their own little corners, and who attempt to judge everything else by their own (obviously limited) experiences or prejudices.
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In case you haven't noticed, unlike a majority of the human race you may know, some of us do not have our self-identity or security in being exclusive. My mobile phones fulfill a role in my life. What I do with my phones increase my productivity, shortening response times, and have kept my customers happy for upwards of 3 years. It has put food on my table and on the tables of my staff while enabling us to live the lifestyles we have chosen.
Whether or not you see the wisdom in what I do with my mobiles will not and cannot change the facts on ground or the results I have. That much is certain.
About mario2004, that's sad. Is this what he went playing around with?
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@AYA: Yes, that's the application.
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@Aya... please take it easy oh
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On 2006-09-18 17:56:37, pxthomas wrote:
@Aya... please take it easy oh
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Did I say something wrong?
@brix: setting one's phone up as a server, like mario did, is a dangerous thing. You literally give anyone on the Net access to everything you have on the phone. If I wanted to do something like that, I would use a clean phone: no contacts, no notes, no documents - absolutely nothing but the web pages I want to put up.
I hope nothing really vital belonging to him fell into the hands of the bad guys. That would be terrible.
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