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joebmc
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Couple of questions
1.What did the Muslims follow before the Quran? As if I understand correct the Quran is approx 1500 years old and we all know that people have been on this planet a lot longer than that. So was their an early book?
2.Why do Jews and Muslims hate each other so much? In the Quran it says
“62. Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”
Does this not mean as long as we all live good honest life’s and worship our lord were all get a place in heaven/paradise regardless of being Christians, Jews or Sabians (which i think means baptised)?
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1. You can't say that people just shifted from religion to religion.
Some perhaps saw that Islam came after Christianity, some were born into it, and some didn't have a faith and chose Islam.
2. There are a number of reasons for the hate of Jews.
One tribe of Jews put statues which they worshiped. (those were later destroyed by Moses)
(the story is he destoryed the statues and put an Axe in the head of the largest statue, when that Jewish tribe asked who did this, Moses said, ask your God, which God would allow an axe to chop his head?)
Those were only a specific tribe, and it can be assumed that the Jews we have a hating for are those that believed in statues.
The Jews also killed most of the prophets. (which is not cool)
When a person (Muslim) says he hates Jews, it's the Jews that are against us, and not the Jews that try to live in peace with us.
Also, that section you quoted (aya) is slightly mis-translated. It's basically saying that those who have the faith in God, and believe in his books, but still acknowledge Islam as a faith, have the chance at going to heaven as long as they do righteous things.
Someone may ask, but there is a quote saying Jews dont go to Heaven.
Yes they dont. But the Jews it refers to are those who are against Islam.
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Essa = Jesus
Moses = Mosa
David = Dawood
Noah = Nooh
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joebmc
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Thanks only just started reading the Quran (upt Chapter 2 verse 115 at the mo) But with all these transations i will never know which is the true transaltion!
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yeah thats what makes problems 
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On 2005-08-11 19:01:28, joebmc wrote:
Thanks only just started reading the Quran (upt Chapter 2 verse 115 at the mo) But with all these transations i will never know which is the true transaltion!
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The Yusuf Ali transalation is most accurate which can be found here.
However, the other transalations are almost the same - just different wording.
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“62. Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”
Does this not mean as long as we all live good honest life’s and worship our lord were all get a place in heaven/paradise regardless of being Christians, Jews or Sabians (which i think means baptised)?
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hhmm... im sensing something wrong here...
"62. Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians"
"Those believe in (in the Quran)" is actually well enough of bein an Islam, but those who "follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians"??? i dont really get this, i think this is false... we dont have to follow it anymore, as the Quran is the only book we should be reading and following. Can anyone confirm this? PeterKay....
& the Quran is finalized by our Prophet Mohammad SAW. Therefore IT should state
'any who believe in Allah and Prophet Mohammad is the last massenger of God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.'
this sentence is the most important for believing in Islam.....
like we said, it would be great to read the actual Quran text, its been said b4, its always a gd idea to read the Quran with som1 that knows about the Quran.. so if one have questions it can be answered and understood correctly...
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we should still acknowledge the other religions brought down by God.
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This is the Yusuf Ali transalation of the above mentioned verse:
Chapter 2 Verse 62:
Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve
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yea that i know.. as Jews came, then Christianity and now Islam.. all link to one another from Prophets to Prophets... maybe what they meant is 'acknowledging other religion before Islam during previous Prophets.'
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joebmc
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Yep the Yusuf Ali transalation is the one im reading, download it from the site you suggested and conveted it to ebook thingy (adobe reader on palm os).
Keeps me busy on the commute from work 
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Islam teaches us to believe in all the revealed books/scriptures. A Muslim must believe that it was God Almighty that sent down the Original bible and the Original gospel but the Holy Quran is the final revelation by Almighty Allah.
Chapter 2 Verse 285 states:
The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one of them believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction they say between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: We seek Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."
Amazing words from Almighty Allah, only if we could appreciate it.
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On 2005-08-11 22:42:58, joebmc wrote:
Yep the Yusuf Ali transalation is the one im reading, download it from the site you suggested and conveted it to ebook thingy (adobe reader on palm os).
Keeps me busy on the commute from work
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Great news. The Yusuf Ali transalation has the words 'thee' and 'ye' but the more you read the transalation the more easier it gets as you may admit later on.
Hopefully after reading the Holy Quran you will see what Islam really teaches and not what the media have labelled Islam as today.
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What amazing words, All Praise is due to Allah Almighty.
Verses 28 of Chapter 13 from the Holy Quran states:
"Those who believe, and whose hearts find satisfaction in the remembrance of Allah. for without doubt in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find satisfaction.
How true are these words. Money cannot give me satisfaction nor any worldly pleasures but when i sit in a mosque and worship/pray to Almighty Allah - my heart feels so much pleasure, peace and satisfaction. It is so difficult to explain what the feeling is really like but trust me it is amazing and peaceful.
Maybe another Muslim brother/Sister here can explain the feeling better?
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amnesia
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according to my father who's visiting my new flat, he's said that there are hundreds of religions before Islam, not just Judism, Christianity and Islam.
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scotsboyuk
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@amnesia
He would be correct. Buddhism, Taoism, Paganism, Shinto, Hinduism and many others. Actually they all came before Christianity as well.
Judaism and Hinduism are arguably the world's oldest religions, although various forms of paganism could also claim this title.
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