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coolapostle
Joined: Oct 15, 2004
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I must confess I just read the new EFCC "law" just a few days ago. I was shocked at the amount of powers they have been given like:
- all Cybercafes/GSM/Telecoms operators must provide the names, phone numbers and addresses of their clients when asked for.
I think implementing it will be difficult... and will only make the crooks smarter. Besides... they will need some serious tools to be able to track ppl that browse in cybercafes.
So are they saying I have to fill a form b4 browsing in a cybercafe?
Can anyone autheticate the info I will give?
Is the EFCC able to capture all the data that will be generated?
What surprised me is how I never heard about the review of the law all this time. How can we allow such?
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pxthomas
Joined: May 14, 2006
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From: DELTA STATE, NIGERIA
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someone should please explain this new EFCC law. It appears they want to take away my fundamental human right.
Human right na my property
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brix25
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@coola: In South Africa a similiar law came into practice a couple of months back...at most of the official retail stores whenever you buy a sim card you have to show your ID book so your details can be captured...most ppl don't mind the biggest opposition came from the cellphone networks cause it would cost them money to store all this information.
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coolapostle
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On 2006-08-07 22:19:00, pxthomas wrote:
someone should please explain this new EFCC law.
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Read "EFCC's plan to register cyber cafes" here (Check the right column):
http://groups.google.com/group/cyberianigeria
The full gist:
http://groups.google.com/grou[....]60ef?lnk=raot#915686b7810c60ef
Ok... I just cut-and-pasted some of the stuff:
*....President Obasanjo had in June, this year, granted his assent to a new
law requiring service providers to keep records of internet users in the
country and register with the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission
(EFCC) under a programme to check the use of electronic communication
network to combat fraud. *
*The new law, the Advance Fee Fraud and Other Related Offences Act 2006, also repeals the Advance Fee Fraud and Other Related Offences No 13 of 1995 as well as the Advance Fee Fraud And Other Fraud Related Offences Act 2005.
*"Any person whose normal course of business involves the provision of
non-fixed line or Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM) or is in the management of any such services, shall submit on demand to the Commission such data and information as are necessary or expedient for giving full effect to the performance of the functions of the Commission under this Act", says the anti-fraud law.*
...more at the link
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abubakar
Joined: Sep 15, 2005
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@coola: its all bull****!!! Our govt likes to put up frivalous laws that impenge on the rights of the many to over thoer own lapses. If I'm a 419er, at the rates that phone companies are offering internet now + the cheap costs of 2nd hand computers, do i need to go to a cafe? Place your bets here: How many people will they actually catch after a year of implementing this law?? If its up to 10 i'll be surprised. Its like how theyve outlawed overnight buses cos of bad roads and armed robbers. Instead of fixing the problem, they are trying to impede our rights as a quick fix. soon they'll say no falling sick on weekends because doctors will be at home!!!!
@all: another bad day in the middle east. Hezbolla keeps increasing their range into Israel, Israelis keep killing innocents, destroying bridges, power stations, sewage systems, shopping areas, Oil infirmaries???? No proof that any militants in the areas bombed. How can this madness stop?
(and all the while, oil prices hit the roof, Naija officials are making serious money while we languish in poverty!!!!)
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namzo
Joined: Jan 05, 2006
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Hey guyz! i read thru ur posts 'bout the EFCC's new fight against cyber crime in naija. I don't think our human rights will be messed with 'cos such laws should be well reviewed b4 being implemented(though i know "our nation" might nt put dat into due consideration). And also, as for d registeration of cyber cafes, u should already stuffs like this don't work out fine. good number of cyber cafe's patronize"yahoo boys" & depend on them as their main source of income. Therefore, in order not fall into EFCC's net, they(the cafe's) will eventually buy their way out. U all know 9ja now? |
abubakar
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@namzo: like you know!!!! nothing will come out of this except some officials looking for bribes!! anyhow, it maight be good in the long run. not in cayching "yahoo boys" but in getting used to regulating things in naija. toooooooo many things are unegulated. Recharge hawkers on the road to Toffee factories. |
Demmy
Joined: Oct 02, 2004
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From: Lagos, Nigeria
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@namzo good overview
@all that is pure ABUSE OF OUR FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT. My main grouse with these law enforcement agents is that majority of them know next to nothing about the Internet. For instance a source informed me of an intance some policemen came to a cafe, they 'raided eveyone in sight not mindful of each person's activities. He along with some other innocent ppl had to part with #500 each in other not to be taken to the "station" - can you beat that.
someone also said that some cafe operators aids the so called "yahoo boys". That is just the bitter truth coz these boys oftentims are amongst the heavy "browsers", and thses operator are out to make money - they will ague.
at another time i was opportuned to listent to the conversation of some police officers, the conversation goes thus:
OFFICER 1: Ol' boi town hard these dayz oh
OFFICER 2: to chop now self na wahala (pauses and continues), my wife self no gree me rest.
OFFICER 3: I been hear say "yahoo boys" full surulere and isolo area, and those boys dey settle well.
OFFICER 2: e be like say we go carry out routine raid for that side oh, at least we go get something.I'm not an advocate of yahoo boys, but I strongly believe what the law will achieve is that more ppl will rather subscribe to personal internet connection, meaning that the cafe operators will eventually be made to pack shop.
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Demmy
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This means that to register as a user, the user's name, address, telephone, e-mail address and photograph should be available, according to the Act.
The President signed the law on June 5, 2006. And for the purposes of identification, three key data should be provided, from the following: national identification card, drivers licence, international passport, utility bill and/or certificate of incorporation if need be.
According to the Act, telecommunication operators, including GSM service providers and PTOs, which now offer skeletal Internet services on their networks, also have up till September 7, 2006 to register such services with the EFCC. They are also to show evidence of Due Care and Surveillance System, which they have installed in their networks for the purposes of the monitoring of cybercrimes.
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Ifedisky
Joined: Mar 26, 2006
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Can we just define what our problem in this country is;cybercrime?@all:what's up every body,I'm peeking!
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Areafada
Joined: Nov 06, 2004
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@all About EFCC, my views is that how can u catch someone if u don't ave a data base or records that u can check from? Which records do u ave in Nigeria or is EFCC goin to use the data of the National identity card? Funny how our politician live a life of fantasy.
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coolapostle
Joined: Oct 15, 2004
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Here is one scenario:
A Yahoo Boy gets caught and the EFCC takes his phone to, say, MTN and asks for the call data records of any number he frequently calls. Turns out your name pops up and you get detained and questioned.
Or, the last person who did night-browsing used the PC you are now using. The EFCC sniffs out the PC's ip from the 419 emails and they come and grab you. But I think they will expect each cyber-cafe to have a log of who browsed and when. So b4 browsing, we each must register and "clock-in".
But like Brix said... it will take some additional processing power to keep all those new records.... something our networks will definitely balk at.
BTW... good to have you back Demmy.
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uchrik
Joined: Feb 17, 2006
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I'm yet to see a copy of this EFCC cyber crime law but going by what I read on it so far(on this thread),I dont see how it infringe on human rights of an honest cyber businessman.We cant afford a lawless society,I mean.
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Demmy
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On 2006-08-09 22:38:52, uchrik wrote:
I'm yet to see a copy of this EFCC cyber crime law but going by what I read on it so far(on this thread),I dont see how it infringe on human rights of an honest cyber businessman.We cant afford a lawless society,I mean.
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@uchrik Good talk, but do you know some "yahoo boys" usually install softwares in almost all systems in cafes with or without the knowledge of the operators, to steal people's passwords after you might have exited a system. Thereby having access to all transactions you might have made and so therefore continued from where you stopped - impersonatint YOU. Maybe I need to remind us that some people trasact legit biz on the Internet, foe instance WESTERN UNION. can you try to imagine whta happens when someone intercepts your western union details b4 u get to the bank to make your claim. These these happens all the time and the law will only make it legit for dubios cafe operators to steal our identity. As an instance a source ones told me of an experience where someone spied on his password and subsequently changed his password. The truth is most cafe operator are as dubious as "DUBIOUS"
@all now that we make use of the acronym "YAHOO BOYS". The question is who are they? Please I need answers
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abubakar
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@all: what these politicians do without thinking or planning. What of this talk of scrapping 6-3-3-4 system? what do we gain from that? our school infrastructure nationwide is based on it. Suddenly all our primary schools have to increase their classrooms by 30% to take in more students!?!?! Our schools that are pascked like sardines as is? We are in trouble o!!!
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