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$herry
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Sorr,Mistake.Jus wantd 2 inform ya al tht da red msque episode is ova.Operation silence wz caried out successfully by da govt.Al political parties hav praised da govt's efforts, wich is quite rare! according 2 govt figures,50 militants n 8 troops hav died.Thez figures,r of course,understated.Da tru mastermind, wife of da captured maulana,hz cum out.da msque n da southern part of da madressah hav been cleared.da deceased cleric's family remains untraced.life in da capital is paralyzed.
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On 2007-07-11 11:36:56, $herry wrote:
Sorr,Mistake.Jus wantd 2 inform ya al tht da red msque episode is ova.Operation silence wz caried out successfully by da govt.Al political parties hav praised da govt's efforts, wich is quite rare!
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thanks for the update! channel4-news UK referred to it as Musharaf's "endgame"...blah blah very confused, very western, very biased! So, even more thanks for your reporting!!
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$herry
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Posted that from my cell phone...had to use the slang cuz of limited characters...i would have given a lot more details...anyway,power is still out and my laptop battery will run out any time.. 
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ISLAMABAD, July 10: Having been part of the late-night negotiations between the authorities and Maulana Abdul Rasheed Ghazi to avert bloodshed at the Lal Masjid-Jamia Hafsa compound, Pakistan’s leading social worker Maulana Abdul Sattar Edhi told Dawn after the launch of pre-dawn ‘operation Silence’ on Tuesday that he had known all along that the obstinate ‘Maulvi’ would not listen.
“I knew from the first day that ‘Maulvi’ does not listen,” said Mr Edhi remorsefully amid the roaring sound of combat operation, eight hours after all attempts to peacefully resolve the Lal Masjid crisis failed.
“This is all a consequence of (Ghazi’s) stubbornness,” is how he summed it up as he looked on helplessly and desolately.
His message for the people of Pakistan, particularly to thousands of Madaris throughout the country was: “Pursue peace, be humane and shun arms and militancy.”
With a distant look in his eyes, the 84-year-old frail Edhi, whose feet were swollen, observed: “Aagar mein bhee ziddi hota tu kamyab na hota” (If I was also stubborn I would not have succeeded).
Edhi had 60 ambulances parked in the area as he sat under a green leafy tree with the sun pouring down on the capital’s curfew-hit G-6 sector. Clad in his typical tatty militia outfit and cap, he recalled his three-minute telephonic conversation with Rasheed Ghazi at about 10.30pm on Monday, during which he pleaded for a compromise.
“I advised him against blackmail and reminded him that Islam does not allow killing of innocent people in the name of jihad,” Edhi recounted. But he said the Maulana’s response was: “Yeh Allah ki marzi hai (This is God’s will)” and then disconnected the phone. Edhi tried calling him again but gave up when there was no response even after four attempts.
Edhi believed that the government had shown flexibility and had even respected his call for a ceasefire on Monday afternoon. “The government was willing for a compromise but unfortunately Maulana Abdul Rashid was not forthcoming,” he noted.
Edhi said he knew the operation was inevitable when told by the authorities to go and rest at 11.00pm. Edhi received the next call at 3.30am and he rushed to the scene with his ambulances and staff. That was a signal that operation was about to be launched, he said.
He told Dawn that the authorities had sought the services of only six Edhi Foundation ambulances to carry six injured men to the hospital until 1.30pm.
According to him, he had arrived in the capital at his own initiative just a day after returning from New York. He, however, said his wife came here last week after she was directly approached by President Musharraf.
From Dawn,the best newspaper here....
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$herry
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ISLAMABAD, July 10: Rebel cleric Abdul Rashid Ghazi was killed as a blitz led by army commandos almost crushed the last stand of religious militants at Islamabad's Lal Masjid-Jamia Hafsa compound on Tuesday after the failure of last-minute peace moves led to fierce battles that the government said took at least 58 lives on both sides.
Sporadic gunfire and blasts were still being heard, till our going to press, from the curfew-bound complex in the centre of the capital, after government spokesmen said at least 50 militants and eight troops were killed on a day of the most intense fighting of the week-old operation, which sent shockwaves across the country and whose handling could cost the government politically.
But they said the toll could be much higher when a correct body count would be possible at the end of the operation which was launched on July 4, a day after at least nine people were killed and about 150 wounded when tensions erupted into street battles between security forces and militants around the Lal Masjid and adjoining Jamia Hafsa madressah.
Some other sources said that more than 80 militants were killed on Tuesday after the security forces launched their final assault at about 4.30am following the breakdown of night-long negotiations seeking a peaceful end to the impasse although the two sides were at one point reported to have nearly clinched an agreement to give a so-called “safe passage” to Abdul Rashid Ghazi.
OPERATION NOT OVER: “The operation is still in progress,” top military spokesman Major-General Waheed Arshad told a late evening news conference hours after the authorities said Ghazi was killed in “crossfire” between security forces and militants who accompanied him when he came out of his hideout at the complex.
“We have cleared the mosque and southern part of the madressah and, while progressing, in one of the bases Abdul Rashid Ghazi and his companions were killed,” said Gen Arshad, the Director-General of the Inter-Services Public Relations Directorate (ISPR).
He said the troops later advanced towards the house of Ghazi and other quarters where some exchange of fire took place and added: “The operation is likely to continue tonight and we will clear the entire mosque and madressah complex.”
The ISPR chief estimated the death toll at the madressah complex at more than 50 but said exact figures were not available at the moment because the first priority of the authorities was to clear the area of heavily armed and very well-trained militants.
"The objective of the operation was to clear the madressah complex of the militants and that has not ended as yet,” he said. “It is very clear to us that whoever takes up arms against the troops will be taken to task.”
Gen Arshad said a total of 86 people came out of the madressah complex on Tuesday, including Umma Hassan, the head of the madressah, and wife of Ghazi's elder brother, Maulana Abdul Aziz, who was arrested on Wednesday while trying to escape clad in a burqa. Others included men, women and children, and their screening process was being carried out.
The ISPR chief said some parts of the complex were yet to be cleared and all the militants would be taken to task.
He said he was not aware of the whereabouts of family members of Ghazi.
He would also not tell the location of the body of Ghazi, saying bodies would be taken out of the complex after the operation was complete and that it was not yet clear as to how many people were lying dead inside.
However, he put the casualty figure of troops at eight “shaheed” and 29 wounded.
WHY IT TOOK SO LONG: About prolongation of the operation, the ISPR chief cited three difficulties faced by the troops -- the aim to ensure safety of women and children, well-armed militants who put up a lot of resistance, and a very difficult situation because of a multi-storeyed complex built in a haphazard manner where the troops had to progress from room to room.
Asked about the presence of any foreign militants inside the complex, Gen Arshad said there had been such reports but it was “too early to say anything about that” while the operation was not over.
“Once it is done, then the investigations would be started to reach any conclusion.”
He sidestepped repeated questions about casualties of women and children, but interior ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema, who was present with him, said the no body of any woman or a child was encountered inside the complex so far.
Asked why Edhi Foundation chief Abdul Sattar Edhi had been asked by authorities to arrange 800 shrouds when they could confirm the deaths of only 50 militants and eight troops, Gen Arshad said the move was meant to prepare for all contingencies.
Bodies of the dead were sent to various hospitals in Islamabad and Rawalpindi where reporters were barred and at times faced rude behaviour from security officials while trying to seek information about the casualties.
RESIDENTS’ ORDEAL: Islamabad's densely populated Sector G-6, where Lal Masjid is located, and the areas in its vicinity were jolted by big bangs of grenades, heavy shelling and other heavy arms used in the battle early in the morning.
The entire federal capital was declared a red zone as there was a complete ban on people's entry and exit from morning to evening.
Life in Islamabad was paralysed and most residents went on rooftops to see clouds of thick black smoke over Lal Masjid.
The fighting was so horrifying that bullets of heavy guns hit many multi-storeyed buildings located four to five kilometres away from Lal Masjid.
Heavy movement of troops continued around Lal Masjid throughout the day with machinegun-fitted armoured personnel carriers and trucks carrying armed troops.
Some of the parents of the children, who did not come out of the mosque or were shifted to other places without informing them, started weeping when they were told that the operation had almost concluded.
Interior ministry spokesman Javed Cheema said that Ghazi was killed along with 12 militants.
Although the authorities said the security forces were in complete control of the mosque-madressah complex, there were suggestions there would be another round of search operation in the area before the place is declared safe and curfew is lifted.
{also from Dawn} Happy Reading!
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What 'll be the govt.'s next move...
CLOSURE OF MADRASSAS... 
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$herry
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No the govt wont close them...the ulema here,religious clerics, have been stressing all along that these ppl are a disgrace to islam and other madressahs...the madressahs will continue to function:
a, because the ulema and other madressahs have disassociated themselves from the red mosque
b, the MMA, a party consisting predominantly of maulanas,is one of the ruling parties in our country,,,they rule over one whole province and are quite and important part of our politics..i dont like them in any way,but thats a fact..if madressahs were closed,they would be outrage and dissent within this party and they could make things tough for the govt,,
so the madressahs will stay...indeed,the govt ppl said that some of the students of the red mosque have been brainwashed and will be sent to other mosques and madressahs to be ummmm...straightened
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E90 out for 96000rs 
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Its very expensive.what are its specific features
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solja786
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salam guyz.
i got a question...is there any point in buying a wifi enabled handset in pakland????
are there any wifi hotspots anywhere in pakland
secondly,
im sellin my w850 and wouldnt mind trading for a p990, w950, m600
so if anyone is interested lemme kno
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$herry
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Reporter Sherry is back!
The body of the dead maulana has been shifted to his village..his mother's body as yet remains unfound...i saw the whole buildings from the inside today...shattered...bullet holes in walls..place falling apart...although the govt did not have any other option, the ferocity and aggressiveness with which they carried out the operation is not commendable...a reporter said that from an ariel view he could see hundreds of dead bodies littered about/./some were decomposing,and birds were pecking at the ones on the roof, while a foul smell filled the area  So many people sholdnt have died 
On a side note,the official name of the operation was operation sunrise,not silence...the media used the word silence and it was not rectified by the authorities until now...
U may wonder how so many guns got inside the mosque...well there is an explanation...a sunday bazaar is situated just beside the buildings...afghani/pathan men were encouraged to open shops in the sunday market...posing as ordinary shopkeepers with goods,they brought in huge amounts of arms and ammunition,and when the sunday market closed on sunday night for the rest of the week, the weapons were hauled inside...Ingenious!
For further details,questions,queries or comments, feel free to contact the ace reporter $herry..
Will keep u updated..Cheers!
@QVGA: U gave me a semi heart attack! 96000 bucks? u could get a bloody car!
@Solja: no point in having a wifi enabled handsets..no hotspots whatsoever in pakistan...and how much are u looking for the w850?
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solja786
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@$herry
actually there is a point of a wifi enabled set...there are about four to five hot spots in islamabad da beautiful....serena, holiday inn, marriot, kfc, and isb airport...which is not too bad for pakistan and there are even more in karachi...secondly for the w850 im lookin for 15 grand...wid 5 month warranty and pretty darn good condition...but i would love a trade wid a p990...which of course has to b in great condition and wid a good warranty period. |
solja786
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nvm this one..it was a double post so i erased it.
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