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Yazan24
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The cell doesnt have a brain cell...
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IMO, SE really innovative, let see :
- T610 ; the first smaller built in camera phone
- K700i ; the first smaller video phone
- S700i ; the first real digital camera phone
- P910i ; the first smartphone that have large screen on standard size (not too huge) which have many option for data input (Normal phone keypad, Qwerty keyboard, touchscreen, jogdial)
- K600i ; the first smallest 3G phone
- W800i ; the first real walkman phone.
T610 not the smallest camera phone of its time.
K700 not the smallest Vid Cam of its time
S700 not the first 1.3 MP Cam of its time
P910 based on P800 an ericsson product.
K600i Smallest 3G phone isnt an innovation
W800 walkman phone WOW, now our phone plays music, oh wait, didnt we already have that.
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whizkidd
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@Yazan, if not SE,which manufacturer is "innovative" according to you?
T230 >> T610 >> Ngage QD >> N73 >> N85 >> Omnia HD >> And countless other review units |
S4k1s
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@ Yazan24
b4 u start bashing other people about brain cells ... stop a min and think of your own supposed brain cells m8 ...
I usually don't point stuff like this out but your post was _really stupid_
a person with some brain cells a functional IQ and some knowledge of the english language would understand this little minor thing ...
"the first" _is not the same as_ "of its time"
IMO, SE really innovative, let see :
- T610 ; the first smaller built in camera phone
- K700i ; the first smaller video phone
- S700i ; the first real digital camera phone
- P910i ; the first smartphone that have large screen on standard size (not too huge) which have many option for data input (Normal phone keypad, Qwerty keyboard, touchscreen, jogdial)
- K600i ; the first smallest 3G phone
- W800i ; the first real walkman phone.
T610 not the smallest camera phone of its time.
K700 not the smallest Vid Cam of its time
S700 not the first 1.3 MP Cam of its time
P910 based on P800 an ericsson product.
K600i Smallest 3G phone isnt an innovation
W800 walkman phone WOW, now our phone plays music, oh wait, didnt we already have that.
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now you want to back this stuff u wrote up with some models?
like, wich small cameraphone came b4 T610? (and so on ..)
being first == u have to be innovative
making small phones like K600 that fits so much technology that other manufacturers phones with same tech. in them need to be double the size == u have to be innovative
being 1..2 step(s) ahead of competitors ==> releasing a mp3player phone makes you innovative ==> makes the others copycats
(having said that .. this don't make SE good/great)
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Yazan24
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I thought the facts were obvious
T610 not the smallest camera phone of its time.
-Several Phones by other Manufacturers are within the same size range smaller/larger by mm, eg. N7250-
K700 not the smallest Vid Cam of its time
-Several Phones by Nokia-
S700 not the first 1.3 MP Cam of its time
-Several other Phones eg. N7610-
P910 based on P800 an ericsson product.
-Do you need proof of this too, shall I get the release dates for you?-
K600i Smallest 3G phone isnt an innovation
-Not an innovation because its nothing extraordinary-
W800 walkman phone WOW, now our phone plays music, oh wait, didnt we already have that.
-Not an innovation because its nothing extraordinary-
Happy?
Whizzkid, I think samsung are pretty innovative, but keep inventing weird unpractical things, and motorola's joint ventures have released some innovative products, like the glasses headset with oakley.
Innovative but impractical again: -
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=90500
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bart
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would you call this innovation?
With Ericsson and Nokia gone: we must keep their spirits alive and buy JOLLA or YOTA |
jack00
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just another thought about Quote:
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full controle over your house with your computer/smartphone. |
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of course for the time they would have come up with this it would have been totally amazing and innovative - but would the market need or even exept something like this ? would those products ever get recotnised by the mainstream - which would make them profitable
i only want to say that innovations are not equal to profit, its always the market that counts - take B&O for example, they are - in my opinion - the most innovative brand in terms of design,quality,technology(they also have this fullconnection over every electronic device in the house stuff, not for the household but for your multimedia stuff), in the world - of course quality is expensive and there are not many people who want to pay for quality, aslong as it is cheap it is good(but well this is a different topic) |
bart
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i think some people here would be happy with a small and acceptable profit, some of us just want to improve the each other lives, for the benifit of mankind.
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Gigs
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Erm not really bart, nice to see that in a phone factor but thats a laptop. (If we're arguing technology then comparing it to a laptop is fair)
Ericsson were innovative in making bluetooth, thats one no one can deny them, but bart, woulda, coulda, shoulda.
They would have had phones for everyone, they could have made phones for everyone, they should have trimmed the fat to not put theselves in the position they did.
By creating SE, S gets the bad rap because they trimmed alot of Ericssons fat to make both mobile makers profitable.
But lets look at the term: (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=innovative)
innovative
adj 1: ahead of the times; "the advanced teaching methods"; "had advanced views on the subject"; "a forward-looking corporation"; "is British industry innovative enough?" [syn: advanced, forward-looking, modern] 2: being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before; "stylistically innovative works"; "innovative members of the artistic community"; "a mind so innovational, so original" [syn: innovational, groundbreaking]
To be honest I don't see how you can't not apply reason 2. to SE there. Even people that dog on  already state many times through out Esato that they are stylish. Therefore could be considered innovative.
If we're talking technologically innovative, well sorry, Ericsson boiliing down already existing technologies such as colour screens, laptop features and other things into a different form factor to me does not count as innovative. (If we REALLY want to argue it down to nitty gritty, which came first, the newton or the P800? Because if the newton came first then to be honest the P800 is simply a revamp of an already existing PDA technology and thus also becomes moot)
Designing prototypes that it seems none bar bart saw that were revolutionary? Hey good for you bart but the simple fact is prototypes mean nothing unless they're release models.
Scots would probably put it best saying this thread is tosh. It's a pointless thread in respects that by definition both mobile manufacturers are innovative, and probably by the same definition all mobile companies are.
As technology manufacturers, both Sony and Ericsson are innovative, as a combined mobile phone comapny, they will no doubt draw upon each companies expertise. As long as they're not broke, and still producing feature packed phones does much else matter?
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S4k1s
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@Yazan24
since when was innovative same as extraordinary?
also T610 is smaller than 7250...
P800 is a SE product...
as far as I know no Nokia phone have a camera you can compare to S700...
wich Nokia video phone is smaller than K700 and was released b4 the K700?
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Yazan24
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P800 is an ericsson product, the design was just modified by SE.
Its difficult to compare phone sizes because the competitors dont have identical products.
The 7250 is only bigger by 2m. Not much of an improvement.
Size isnt an issue because usually competitors products are very close in size. So its not a major step.
So learn ure facts.
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S4k1s
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P800 is not a ericsson product. Ericsson had prototypes.. still don't make P800 a Ericsson phone like T68..
and yes mm matters ... look att T610 hardware and compare it to any nokia from T610 release date and 1 year on .. screen size .. resolution .. bt .. voicememo .. voicecall .. it knocked every phone for over 6 months! .. since you wanted to talk facts .. T610 is 2mm smaller and yes it counts, but the point is look beneath the shell 
If you want to talk, first go get release dates of the phones .. and specs.
and since when was innovative same as extraordinary?
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On 2005-04-25 22:49:04, bart wrote:
i think some people here would be happy with a small and acceptable profit, some of us just want to improve the each other lives, for the benifit of mankind.
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A small voice in a big crowd, but i hear you bart
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Yazan24
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T68 is an Ericsson Phone, and if ericsson made prototypes of the P800 before SE what does that tell you, the specs and technology were done, only slight tweaks and modifications, and changes in design occured afterwards.
Nokia isnt the only competitor compare the T610 to other brand at the time, the T610 was a good phone which was feature packed, it wasnt innovative.
Innovative is partially extraordinary,
Innovation is something completely new, something completely new in comparison with the ordinary is what, extraordinary.
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whizkidd
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What features does samsung phones have which are completely new??
T230 >> T610 >> Ngage QD >> N73 >> N85 >> Omnia HD >> And countless other review units |
Yazan24
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A phone by samsung was recenetly released that detected 3d motion, so you can twirl the phone and it would launch the camera and so on. Or write sms letters, or answer the phone by a particular movement.
That is innovation, but kind of impractical.
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