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methylated_spirit
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Yeah, i wonder how much it would cost to buy nowadays...in those times £400 was an absolute fortune. Didnt Russia sell Alaska to USA for something like £20,000? Look how much they've made off the oil there!!! (yes i know its off topic, smartypants  )
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tranquil
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On 2004-10-18 10:47:52, tranquil wrote:
The countries of England, Wales and Scotland form Great Britain (GB).
Great Britain + Norhern Ireland form United Kingdom (UK).
Simple as that. 
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The British Embassy in Oslo has just confirmed this to me.
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Vlammetje
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according to official UK documents your countires are in fact [i]nations[/b] though 
do tell me you didn't really call the embassy 
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absinthebri
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The British Embassy! Would you believe anything from an Embassy whose Government stated Saddam could deploy WMD within 45 minutes?
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tranquil
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On 2004-10-18 14:02:47, Vlammetje wrote:
do tell me you didn't really call the embassy
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I did! 
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methylated_spirit
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I, as a Scot, dont think of myself as 'British' even though my mother is English, i think of myself as Scottish. To me, 'British' is sort of like, the empire and all that, if you follow me, its hard to explain. what i mean!
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scotsboyuk
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On 2004-07-27 16:42:43, mince-inside wrote:
Where's @scotsboy? as I'm sure its all to do with the Queen why it's still used.
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I see my expertise in constitutional affairs has been called upon. 
This issue is rather simple when all the terms are listed:
1.) The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a political entity made up of the Kingdom of Scotland, the Kingdom of England, the Principality of Wales and the Province of Northern Ireland.
2.) Great Britain is a geographic term used to describe the largest of the constituent islands of the British Isles. The term 'Great' is used to distinguish the island from Brittany in northern France.
3.) The British Isles is a geographic term used to describe the islands of Great Britain and Ireland and the various smaller islands, which surround them, including the Isle of Man, the Isle of Wight, the Scilly Isles, the Inner and Outer Hebridies, the Orkney Islands and the Shetland Islands.
4.) England is a nation, but not a soveriegn nation in the respect that it is subject to the will of another political entity i.e. the United Kingdom, this status also applies to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
5.) England is a kingdom with a monarch as head of state. England is made up of several historical kingdoms e.g. Northumbria, Mercia, etc, of which the current monarch is technically the Bretwalda (High King). These kingdoms have joined politically into the entity now known as England.
6.) Scotland is a kingdom with a monarch as head of state, but which also has smaller kingdoms within it's borders e.g the Kingdom of Fife and the Kingdom of Kippen. These smaller kingdoms are not nations, they are politicaly unified with Scotland, but their head of state takes on a different title e.g. the Queen is known as the Queen of Fife when she is in Fife or the Queen of Scots when she is in Scotland.
7.) Wales is a principality with a Prince. The Prince of Wales is not a soveriegn prince as he owes fealty to the Queen of the United Kingdom. Additionally there is not always a Prince of Wales as the title is given to the first born son of the King or Queen of England.
8.) Northern Ireland is a province with a monarch as head of state. Historically Northern Ireland would have been part of the Irish kingdom of the Irish Kingdom of Ulster. Ireland was made up of six kingdoms; Ulster, Munster, Lienster, Connaught, Meath and Desmond, each with its own king who all owed fealty to a High King. The Soveriegn of the United Kingdom took on the role as king of each of those kingdoms and as High King. Now the monarch of the United Kingdom is the monarch of Ulster.
9.) There are several dependencies of the U.K. including Gibraltar, The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. These dependencies have control over their internal policies, but not over foriegn policy, which the U.K. has control over. These dependencies have the monarch of the United Kingdom as head of state, although the title granted may not be the same as that used in the United Kingdom e.g. in Man the Queen is known as the Lord of Mann.
10.) Several foreign countries have the monarch of the United Kingdom as head of state e.g. Canada, Australia. These countries are not politicaly controlled by the United Kingdom. When the Queen is in Canada she is Queen of Canada, not Queen of the United Kingdom.
11.) The monarch is in effect a High King or Queen of the Britons. Under the Empire the monarch was given the additional title of Emperor or Empress of India and was known as the King-Emperor or the Queen-Empress.
Incidentally I consider myself British and Scottish; I don't see that being one affects being the other.
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mince-inside
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On 2004-10-18 21:45:13, scotsboyuk wrote:
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On 2004-07-27 16:42:43, mince-inside wrote:
Where's @scotsboy? as I'm sure its all to do with the Queen why it's still used.
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I see my expertise in constitutional affairs has been called upon.
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Only 2 1/2 months late... although in the time scale of the subject I guess it's not that long.
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absinthebri
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@Scotsboy - Very comprehensive response. However, "Ulster" comprises of the northern 9 counties of Ireland, the Province of Northern Ireland comprises of 6 counties. Of further interest is the fact that the Republic of Ireland extends further north than Northern Ireland.
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scotsboyuk
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@absinthebri
That's why I said that the modern province of Ulster would have been part of the old Irish kingdom of Ulster, the boundaries are not the same.
@mince
As I said, I consider myself British, hence the lateness of my response, but you also got more than one point at the same time.
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MadBob
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On 2004-10-18 11:09:06, methylated_spirit wrote:
Scotland was a seperate country until some king or other sold it to England for £400, what a bargain!
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We wuz robbed!  give us the £400 back |
methylated_spirit
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Give us back our money, and our footballing talent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sidnasheikh
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Hi! every one I'm a new one here
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fatreg
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My golly gosh...
Talk about tenuous links...
And no England isn't a county, it's a lifestyle, it's a religion, it's a cult, it's a honour.
I am English and not British.
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Mudbug
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England is as you all know, the centre of the universe. And as Manchester is in the middle of England and where I live, it makes me the centre of everything!
Just think of all the great bands to come out of Manchester.
The Smiths
Oasis
10cc
James
Stone Roses
Happy Mondays
The Hollies
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