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axxxr
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Well why don't you keep your mickey mouse culture to youself and try and not to force feed your crap to the rest of world..we dont want or need it..And we hate Tony Blair just as much for backing your asshole president anyway..so dont be mistaken we hate you guys just as much as you hate us.Have you ever stopped to think why the vast mojority of the world hates america not including most muslim countries..thats coz you ppl are so far up your own ass you don't see or give a damm about anyone else..If you want the world to love america then you do need to change your EVIL and barbaric international polocies..I feel sorry for a lot of decent americans who are anti-bush and are anti-american foreign policy
Listen a**hole don't ever get personal with me ok!!..I have never been directly critical towards you on a personal level....If you wanna play dirty then i can play dirty.
Seems like your the LOSER...who can't handle criticism.
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yeah it would be nice for america to stop giving Aid to all the other country's i would love that but evil america with are evil polices wont do that And for one most americans could care less about you why would we or why should we. i live here u live there why would i really care about your country i have better things to do in my life then to care about you plain and simple What does ur country want pity from us ..ok i pity u.....why dont you stop thinking we owe u something we dont...if america is evil then Uk is right there with us and u will always be holding on to the back of us because ur followers not leaders .........ur that guy that gets mad because someone has it better than them......and i will enjoy my vaction in Las vegas-and what i have seen so far there are alot of people from the Uk over here enjoyin are lux---Just like the arabs that hate america because of the drugs dirty mags and other so called bad things yet they come over here GET A FEDERAL LOAN FROM ARE GOVERMENT to open a bussiness they do u know what they do they open stores that sell Dirty Mags Drug products And other so called bad things why because they can make money off it......seems the rest of the world has a double standard when it comes to america...hate us untill u can make money off of us.........DONT HATE APPRECIATE
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axxxr
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Then Stop giving aid to those poor country who need help...There not exactly begging for it.When the U.S govt does give aid(i won't say americans coz your irrelevant)Don't ask for any favours in return..See why im pissed off with your nazi govt is because of your polocies our soildiers are dieing..why should we put out our lives on the line for your evil agenda..I don't really give a damm about your pathetic county and for what it stands for..i have no need of being jealous..you american come flooding to britain in millions to find some some reality..face it you ppl are what you are coz of us..who do u think gave you the english language..which you corrupted into your twisted little accent..U yanks come to britain gasping for culture and tradition..Face it without us your non-exsistant..I am extremely happy about the Arabs,Mexicans and other nationalites who go to america to feed on the wealth...Just as america has been living sucking Arab Oil..I think it was American who invented the term Double-Standards..My campaign against the Dictator Bush and American Foreign policy goes on..And just shut the F*ck up and take it like a man u nob.
I came back to esato coz the vast majority of members here asked me to and are my friends...But im glad i did just to annoy my enemies. 
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Wow u are so far gone... dont know to many amercians going to Uk theres nothing there to see or do ...And they wanted u back for ur reveiws on Tech stuff not ur twisted opinon yes Axxxr blame all ur problems on america keep crying keep on but to bad u dont matter.....u dont bother me cause ur so far out there it's more amusing than anything...Let me use one of ur words UR A WANKER and i am living the life ow it's so sweet......Suks to be u LMAO ur Lame Kid Just Lame so keep posting ur cry's keep on i dont need freinds from a phone forum that is about the cheesest thing i have heard there my freinds...Wake up u dont have any freinds....Crack Baby.....LMAO---""And it's about time this theard gets Blasted cause it has gone so far off course ----Just like all the Other war related threads thats AXXXR gets involed in""....i take some blame my self With this thread why cause i can AXXXR i dont have to put the blame on every1 else...Cry AXXXR Cry Wannnn Wannnnnnn Wannnnn
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axxxr
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Seems like your the one who's crying here...Listen you shallow ignorant sh*thead..If you can't have a construtive and decent conversation then don't come here..your in the wrong place..So stop being a little cry baby..and Shoo!!.I suppose theres nothing i can do if your such a jealous person...have u forgotton this is a Gulf war thread...So if you don't mind stick to the topic...We are here to bash Bush and american foreign policy in Iraq..
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@ axxxr & ADT0079
I have read through the last few exchanges with some mirth, but mostly with extreme boredom, the reason being that neither of you seem to be able to conduct an argument properly. You both remind me of the nancy boys standing at the side eating the half-time oranges, well it just won't do. If you must argue, and there is nothing wrong with a bit of debate, then why not try to make it good?
So far you have both called each other some very pathetic names, if you are going to resort to name calling then would you please try and make your language more colourful, of course you shouldn't swear, but a splash of colour makes it so much more entertaining to read. I would also advise you to steer away from the girly fighting, I can imagine that you would be the sort of chaps to stand in the street pushing one another and saying "Yeah" over and over again in as threatening a manner as you could.
I have taken the liberty of including a few tips for each of you:
ADT0079
You have mentioned Las Vegas a few times in your posts, but it isn't really adding much, far better to drop it unless you win big in the casino, in which case you could then rub your financial success in axxxr's face.
It is probably best not to try and take the moral high ground as America has a somewhat problematic past in this area, far better to keep to your strategy of throwing America's generous aid donations and opportunities for success at axxxr.
U.S. involvement in World War Two is always a good point for you to make, U.S. support was crucial and its unlikely the war could have been won without it, be careful though, The Finest Hour is a strong comeback to be considered.
You might want to throw in a few American achievements if you are running short on ammunition e.g. landing on the moon (beware a comeback using the fake moon landing conspiracies).
axxxr
The attacks on American culture were rather good, but you are going to have to keep up the pressure on that front, don't try and use literature or art against ADT0079 as America has had a few very decent chaps and chapesses in both departments.
A good area of attack to really pin ADT0079 down on would be the appalling levels of poverty in America and how the overtly capitalist system they have there means that people are often without adequate health care or social provision.
Another good subject that will really score you some points is the death penalty and the high crime rate in America.
If you find yourself lagging behind at any point then use this little bonus; Britain hasn't lost a war since the American Revolution, but you will need to be careful using this as he might latch onto the American Revolution part to use against you.
Well I've done all I can chaps, it's time to get back out there and give it as good an effort as you can muster; your both damned fine chaps, the sort one would run a mile in tight shoes for, and I know you will both make a jolly good job of it. We'll all meet in Mrs Miggins' afterwards for a delish charge of sandwiches and lashings and lashings of ginger beer with a bally rousing chorus of Whoops That's My Knickers and a smashing chinwag. Huzzah!
@ADT0079
Despite trying to be as impartial as I can in this scuffle, I have to say something in the defence of Britain, namely that I shouldn't insult it if I were you. We are a damned fine nation that has given a lot to the world, including the small matter of founding the United States of America that you are so eager to defend.
I should also point out to you that in attacking axxxr you have made several very broad generalisations, generalisations, which I do not take kindly to at all. In making such generalisations you feed the fire in people's minds which gives rise to the belief that Americans are ignorant, uncultured barbarians who merely seek to satiate their own appetites and line their own pockets at the expense of everyone else in the world. Having met several Americans in my time I can honestly say that this picture is certainly not representative of the majority of Americans and I would most certainly never think to categorise all Americans as such. I have found most Americans to be very polite and kind and very friendly indeed.
I ask you kindly to refrain from making generalisations about my country.
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axxxr
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Thanx Scotsboy for that excellent advice. 
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@axxxr
Absolutely no problem at all old boy; I'm just glad I could be of assistance.
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@adt.... the most intelligent reply you've made in this recent little war!! 
Wow, what a battle! Nice reply to both combatants there though @scotsboy. Here's my two pennies' worth:
@adt - I do wonder if what you're saying isn't actually what you really think - it's just to wind @axxxr up and get an argument out of him.
@axxxr - Sorry to say mate, you lowered youself to adt's level by replying to his petty name calliing with..... petty name calling!
Sorry to say but it reminds me of watching some of those drunken 'fights' outside kebab shops at 2am on a Saturday night
To the both of you: Both the UK and the US have good and bad points, I personally am quite pissed off with all the red tape, the litigation culture that's suddenly pervading (A not-so-good US invention), and our yob/binge drinking culture in the UK. Some people in the UK can be quite arrogant too - just look in some of the Euro 2004 threads at posts by England fans after our defeat by the Portugese!
I'm thinking of starting an 'ADT0079 Vs Axxxr' thread somewhere, where you two can push each other shouting 'yeah' and throwing kebab meat and chips at each other as much as you want. What do you think?
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@scotsboy, thats the most impressive post on esato. @axxxr, no-ones listening to @adt079 anyway. www.stopesso.com
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ADT0079
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the point i make is that u guys have such a bad outlook on americans like all we do is go around talking about how good we are and how sorry every1 else is thats just not the case And some of the stuff i said was in a sarcastic manner because if thats how some of u see us then thats fine with me i still sleep well at night and 2 i dont have to bring up all the acheivments that we have made they are already well known...i cant help it that we spend more time "Helping Other Country's instead of are own"we do have poverty......But the thing is if u goto school u can do whatever u want in america with ur life thats one of the great things .......See it how u will Axxxr we have soldiers dying everyday also,im also glad we went to Iraq because if u have ever read anything about Uday And Qusai they were far worst than saddam im glad we killed them....Also u talk so much about oil u dont think ur goverments has it's own agenda also i think so...And if u dont like blair anymore than bush why havent u made any refrences about him or any1 else in here...lets blame bush for everything....think pre Sept 11 clinton was still bombing iraq they where not letting any inspecters in to check there weapons program,do u really think saddam wasnt going at some time to attack us,he was, it was only a matter of time and if not him than his sons...im sorry but after sept 11 we need to do whatever possible to keep are nation safe...if that means taking a hostile dictator out than so be it....but hey we hate every1 ,,Afirca with are funding to help stop the aids epidimec,south korea to help defend itself,Isreal from being attack by the world,Columbia to help the stop drug trafficking,among alot more....I have one Question For Axxxr What would u really like to see America Do???/Do u want us to sit back and wait for anthor Attack do u want us to stop giving aid to every1 so we can take care of the people in are country that dont want to get off there ass and make somthing of themselfs.....Most of Are national Debt is from helping other nation's...lets me hear what u think.....
@ sammyboy yes some stuff was said to piss him off i have upmost respect for every1 that shows me a little respect but when all i hear is Bush This America that it tends to get old after awhile...And no im not One to push and say yeah....
at 1 point i had a best friend that had just come over from england had no freinds and i was willing to be there for him.....he was a great person.....
so dont think i hate some1 because there not american cause it's just not the case...i have spoke my peice and will no longer waste my time with this attacking each other
This will be my last post till i get back to florida so i will have to catch up when i get back----U guys have a great time--till then have fun
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Lets get one thing straight Adt..We brits have nothing against america or its people..Again i have to keep on saying this time and again..Its your evil leader Bush and the govt we are against..We are pissed of america and it policys around the world coz so many thoussands of innocent men,women and children have died and are dieing everyday.America's so called war on terrror was a retaliation against 9/11..2500 people died that day.Since then over 10,000 iraqis have died,aswell as 1000's who have died in Afghanistan.Is this american justice..Makes America as bad as Al-Qaida..I've never ever said that Saddam or Uday or Qusai were good.They were evil men no dought.But who america the right to make up lies and deciet against a foreign and soverign country.If American really wanted saddam removed they was a 100 different ways to do it.But everyone knows what america's agenda really was in iraq.No intelligent man will believe the lies that Bush fed the world.have u not seen Farenheight 9/11,.This war was based on just pure lies.Even 5 american generals went to the whitehouse with a petition for the removal of g.w.bush because they think that Bush is a threat to world peace.Period.We all know about the achiements the u.s has made in history,and its done some good things aswell,,not all bad.But america with its great power and wealth and build on its achiements have so much more respect from the countrys of the world.You talk about Iraq not letting in u.n inspectors and breaking all u.n resolutions..Israel has broken every u.n resolution in the book yet i dont see american invading or attacking it..south korea has WMD's they have broken u.n resolutions why does'nt the u.s invade them.I hope u do understand where im coming from here.In the u.s you have this stupid thing of being patriotic..dont let patriotism to your country blind you.your blindly letting your leaders do what they want by waveing you flag every given opertunity.I mean please whats all that about?I don't give reference to Blair coz he is a fool who is blindly following idiot.Tony blair feels its in the interest of the u.k to help america in its war.I believe only because its a historical tradition that the brits and the yanks fight togther.The u.s helped us in the second world war so we belive its now an obligation for us to help you in yours.Not that we are stand to benefit by this in anyway.on the contrary we will lose out.Adt..I just want america and specially g.w.bush to leave the world alone..encourage democracy and freedom where neccessary but the same rules policy should apply to all nations.and not just when it suits america..do u know what im saying?.You think that america or the world is a safer place now than before..Its been proven by your american CIA and the FBI that it has become more dangerous now than its ever been.Even high ranking american officials have said time and again that coz of g.w.bushes policys in the world the threat against america and countries which support america has gone up 100%.Terrorism will continue to rise as long as america stays in the middle east and afghanistan.So the problem is actually getting worse.You keep on saying that america is handing out aid..Dont think by handing out aid to poor countrys you have the right to say and whatever to them..I say dont give them aid if they are such a threat..I believe america should leave everyone alone..and get back to looking after its own people..Like scotsboy said you have many problems in your country which needs sorting.
I have lots of family,relations who are american so i dont have anything against america itself.Its just the leaders that im against.America is a great place to visit,but with the appaling crime rate i would never live there..
ADT i am glad that you have come to your senses and have decided not to make peronal attacks..Wise decision..But i will continue my campaign against Bush and against illegle american occupation in iraq..aswell as any other american unjustice.
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@ADT have a good time in Vegas 
I'm glad u 2 seem to have agreed 2 disagree, this is something that can be debated till the cows come home! I don't think anyone here hates anyone else, just remember this is a healthy debate, no reason 4 Personal attacks  |
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Atrocities in Iraq: 'I killed innocent people for the American government'
For nearly 12 years, Staff Sgt. Jimmy Massey was a hard-core, some say gung-ho, Marine. For three years he trained fellow Marines in one of the most grueling indoctrination rituals in military life - Marine boot camp.
The Iraq war changed Massey. The brutality, the sheer carnage of the U.S. invasion, touched his conscience and transformed him forever. He was honorably discharged with full severance last Dec. 31 and is now back in his hometown, Waynsville, N.C.
he expressed his remorse at the civilian loss of life in incidents in which he himself was involved.
Q: You spent 12 years in the Marines. When were you sent to Iraq?
A: I went to Kuwait around Jan. 17. I was in Iraq from the get-go. And I was involved in the initial invasion.
Q: What does the public need to know about your experiences as a Marine?
A: The cause of the Iraqi revolt against the American occupation. What they need to know is we killed a lot of innocent people. I think at first the Iraqis had the understanding that casualties are a part of war. But over the course of time, the occupation hurt the Iraqis. And I didn't see any humanitarian support.
Q: What experiences turned you against the war and made you leave the Marines?
A: I was in charge of a platoon that consists of machine gunners and missile men. Our job was to go into certain areas of the towns and secure the roadways. There was this one particular incident - and there's many more - the one that really pushed me over the edge. It involved a car with Iraqi civilians. From all the intelligence reports we were getting, the cars were loaded down with suicide bombs or material. That's the rhetoric we received from intelligence. They came upon our checkpoint. We fired some warning shots. They didn't slow down. So we lit them up.
Q: Lit up? You mean you fired machine guns?
A: Right. Every car that we lit up we were expecting ammunition to go off. But we never heard any. Well, this particular vehicle we didn't destroy completely, and one gentleman looked up at me and said: "Why did you kill my brother? We didn't do anything wrong." That hit me like a ton of bricks.
Q: He spoke English?
A: Oh, yeah.
Q: Baghdad was being bombed. The civilians were trying to get out, right?
A: Yes. They received pamphlets, propaganda we dropped on them. It said, "Just throw up your hands, lay down weapons." That's what they were doing, but we were still lighting them up. They weren't in uniform. We never found any weapons.
Q: You got to see the bodies and casualties?
A: Yeah, firsthand. I helped throw them in a ditch.
Q: Over what period did all this take place?
A: During the invasion of Baghdad.
'We lit him up pretty good'
Q: How many times were you involved in checkpoint "light-ups"?
A: Five times. There was [the city of] Rekha. The gentleman was driving a stolen work utility van. He didn't stop. With us being trigger happy, we didn't really give this guy much of a chance. We lit him up pretty good. Then we inspected the back of the van. We found nothing. No explosives.
Q: The reports said the cars were loaded with explosives. In all the incidents did you find that to be the case?
A: Never. Not once. There were no secondary explosions. As a matter of fact, we lit up a rally after we heard a stray gunshot.
Q: A demonstration? Where?
A: On the outskirts of Baghdad. Near a military compound. There were demonstrators at the end of the street. They were young and they had no weapons. And when we rolled onto the scene, there was already a tank that was parked on the side of the road. If the Iraqis wanted to do something, they could have blown up the tank. But they didn't. They were only holding a demonstration. Down at the end of the road, we saw some RPGs (rocket-propelled grenades) lined up against the wall. That put us at ease because we thought: "Wow, if they were going to blow us up, they would have done it."
Q: Were the protest signs in English or Arabic?
A: Both.
Q: Who gave the order to wipe the demonstrators out?
A: Higher command. We were told to be on the lookout for the civilians because a lot of the Fedayeen and the Republican Guards had tossed away uniforms and put on civilian clothes and were mounting terrorist attacks on American soldiers. The intelligence reports that were given to us were basically known by every member of the chain of command. The rank structure that was implemented in Iraq by the chain of command was evident to every Marine in Iraq. The order to shoot the demonstrators, I believe, came from senior government officials, including intelligence communities within the military and the U.S. government.
Q: What kind of firepower was employed?
A: M-16s, 50-cal. machine guns.
Q: You fired into six or ten kids? Were they all taken out?
A: Oh, yeah. Well, I had a "mercy" on one guy. When we rolled up, he was hiding behind a concrete pillar. I saw him and raised my weapon up, and he put up his hands. He ran off. I told everybody, "Don't shoot." Half of his foot was trailing behind him. So he was running with half of his foot cut off.
Q: After you lit up the demonstration, how long before the next incident?
A: Probably about one or two hours. This is another thing, too. I am so glad I am talking with you, because I suppressed all of this.
Q: Well, I appreciate you giving me the information, as hard as it must be to recall the painful details.
A: That's all right. It's kind of therapy for me. Because it's something that I had repressed for a long time.
Q: And the incident?
A: There was an incident with one of the cars. We shot an individual with his hands up. He got out of the car. He was badly shot. We lit him up. I don't know who started shooting first. One of the Marines came running over to where we were and said: "You all just shot a guy with his hands up." Man, I forgot about this.
Depleted uranium and cluster bombs
Q: You mention machine guns. What can you tell me about cluster bombs, or depleted uranium?
A: Depleted uranium. I know what it does. It's basically like leaving plutonium rods around. I'm 32 years old. I have 80 percent of my lung capacity. I ache all the time. I don't feel like a healthy 32-year-old.
Q: Were you in the vicinity of of depleted uranium?
A: Oh, yeah. It's everywhere. DU is everywhere on the battlefield. If you hit a tank, there's dust.
Q: Did you breath any dust?
A: Yeah.
Q: And if DU is affecting you or our troops, it's impacting Iraqi civilians.
A: Oh, yeah. They got a big wasteland problem.
Q: Do Marines have any precautions about dealing with DU?
A: Not that I know of. Well, if a tank gets hit, crews are detained for a little while to make sure there are no signs or symptoms. American tanks have depleted uranium on the sides, and the projectiles have DU in them. If an enemy vehicle gets hit, the area gets contaminated. Dead rounds are in the ground. The civilian populace is just now starting to learn about it. Hell, I didn't even know about DU until two years ago. You know how I found out about it? I read an article in Rolling Stone magazine. I just started inquiring about it, and I said "Holy s---!"
Q: Cluster bombs are also controversial. U.N. commissions have called for a ban. Were you acquainted with cluster bombs?
A: I had one of my Marines in my battalion who lost his leg from an ICBM.
Q: What's an ICBM?
A: A multi-purpose cluster bomb.
Q: What happened?
A: He stepped on it. We didn't get to training about clusters until about a month before I left.
Q: What kind of training?
A: They told us what they looked like, and not to step on them.
Q: Were you in any areas where they were dropped?
A: Oh, yeah. They were everywhere.
Q: Dropped from the air?
A: From the air as well as artillery.
Q: Are they dropped far away from cities, or inside the cities?
A: They are used everywhere. Now if you talked to a Marine artillery officer, he would give you the runaround, the politically correct answer. But for an average grunt, they're everywhere.
Q: Including inside the towns and cities?
A: Yes, if you were going into a city, you knew there were going to be ICBMs.
Q: Cluster bombs are anti-personnel weapons. They are not precise. They don't injure buildings, or hurt tanks. Only people and living things. There are a lot of undetonated duds and they go off after the battles are over.
A: Once the round leaves the tube, the cluster bomb has a mind of its own. There's always human error. I'm going to tell you: The armed forces are in a tight spot over there. It's starting to leak out about the civilian casualties that are taking place. The Iraqis know. I keep hearing reports from my Marine buddies inside that there were 200-something civilians killed in Fallujah. The military is scrambling right now to keep the raps on that. My understanding is Fallujah is just littered with civilian bodies.
Embedded reporters
Q: How are the embedded reporters responding?
A: I had embedded reporters in my unit, not my platoon. One we had was a South African reporter. He was scared s---less. We had an incident where one of them wanted to go home.
Q: Why?
A: It was when we started going into Baghdad. When he started seeing the civilian casualties, he started wigging out a little bit. It didn't start until we got on the outskirts of Baghdad and started taking civilian casualties.
Q: I would like to go back to the first incident, when the survivor asked why did you kill his brother. Was that the incident that pushed you over the edge, as you put it?
A: Oh, yeah. Later on I found out that was a typical day. I talked with my commanding officer after the incident. He came up to me and says: "Are you OK?" I said: "No, today is not a good day. We killed a bunch of civilians." He goes: "No, today was a good day." And when he said that, I said "Oh, my goodness, what the hell am I into?"
Q: Your feelings changed during the invasion. What was your state of mind before the invasion?
A: I was like every other troop. My president told me they got weapons of mass destruction, that Saddam threatened the free world, that he had all this might and could reach us anywhere. I just bought into the whole thing.
Q: What changed you?
A: The civilian casualties taking place. That was what made the difference. That was when I changed.
Q: Did the revelations that the government fabricated the evidence for war affect the troops?
A: Yes. I killed innocent people for our government. For what? What did I do? Where is the good coming out of it? I feel like I've had a hand in some sort of evil lie at the hands of our government. I just feel embarrassed, ashamed about it.
Showdown with superiors
Q: I understand that all the incidents - killing civilians at checkpoints, itchy fingers at the rally - weigh on you. What happened with your commanding officers? How did you deal with them?
A: There was an incident. It was right after the fall of Baghdad, when we went back down south. On the outskirts of Karbala, we had a morning meeting on the battle plan. I was not in a good mindset. All these things were going through my head - about what we were doing over there. About some of the things my troops were asking. I was holding it all inside. My lieutenant and I got into a conversation. The conversation was striking me wrong. And I lashed out. I looked at him and told him: "You know, I honestly feel that what we're doing is wrong over here. We're committing genocide."
He asked me something and I said that with the killing of civilians and the depleted uranium we're leaving over here, we're not going to have to worry about terrorists. He didn't like that. He got up and stormed off. And I knew right then and there that my career was over. I was talking to my commanding officer.
Q: What happened then?
A: After I talked to the top commander, I was kind of scurried away. I was basically put on house arrest. I didn't talk to other troops. I didn't want to hurt them. I didn't want to jeopardize them.
I want to help people. I felt strongly about it. I had to say something. When I was sent back to stateside, I went in front of the sergeant major. He's in charge of 3,500-plus Marines. "Sir," I told him, "I don't want your money. I don't want your benefits. What you did was wrong."
It was just a personal conviction with me. I've had an impeccable career. I chose to get out. And you know who I blame? I blame the president of the U.S. It's not the grunt. I blame the president because he said they had weapons of mass destruction. It was a lie.
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Posted: 2004-07-08 02:05
