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Other bad news from Iraq. |
batesie
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bush. 'invading' iraq. his intentionswere simple. the oil. bush was paid millions by esso (exxon mobil) beforegetting into power. as well as ditching the kyoto protocol since, to essos benfit, iraq has the biggest known supplies of untouched oil in the world. who uses the most oil in the world? america. www(dot)stopesso(dot)com
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Sammy_boy
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@batesie:
I think my car runs the US close for the amount of oil used!! It smokes more that I did before I quit! 
...Sorry for the digression, thought we could do with the light relief!
Slightly more seriously, I think saying it was just for the oil is an over-simplification and a favorite explanation of the loony left.... although it is not secret that bush is in the pockets of many large oil companies, and did anyone see any footage of that confrence he gave yesterday? Not very convincing, was he!?
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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Vlammetje
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was he ever convinced, that string doll? 
Friggin' idiot.
As for why the press give so much attention to 'rebellious' imams and clergymen: because they're the MEDIA! there is no story in good citizens that go to work and come straight home and teach their children a set of values. they'r eboring. they don't SELL. Fear sells. Violence sells. terror sells. The media is not here to give us the One and Only Truth.. they're here to make money. wake up ppl 
if there were no religion human beings would find another excuse to killl eachother. No doubt about it. But we are all looking for a reason, a cause. And those that have the charisma to appeal to ppl, abuse their religion to create masses of followers..... it ws like that with hitler, it's like that with bin laden.... there will be another one one day I fear.
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BobaFett
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the us government should start negotiations with france, germany and russia and the iraq conflict will be fixed in 1 year. believe me. we have in europe the best diplomats. its the only way.
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Vlammetje
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we have the best diplomats? 
you could've fooled me 
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BobaFett
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of course. where else? for the us government the only way of diplomacy outher usa was, is the war. asia and africa is out the party. the countrie mentioned before had good connections to the arabian world and the european diplomats are for a peaceful solution.
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boto43
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Another bad news - one man from Italy was killed by his kidnapers. A French journalist released. |
Sammy_boy
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I've just heard the 3 Japanese hostages have been freed - and another 2 Japanese taken hostage!
I wonder when they are going to realise that taking hostages won't make countries involved in Iraq change their mind? How many hostages will they kill before realising this?
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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Vlammetje
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they won't. maybe politicians won't change their minds... but public opinion will swing for sure.
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BobaFett
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bin laden is ready to negitiate with europe as i heared in the latest news. but i think in the background they started it already. without the us... i would negotiate with them. they have no problem with us, we have no problem with them. the problems are the usa and israel. but everybody has to negotiate for himself. and as soon as possible un troops has to arrive to iraq and the us army should leave it.
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boto43
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@boba so sorry, I think u r wrong. Europeans won't negotiate 2 Bin without prior consent of usa. It concerns NATO as well. Decisive role in NATO plays USA and not Europe. By the way I don't think it would be clever for EU to negotiate to Bin Ladin. |
BobaFett
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Oil. Thats what counts, not the principals. Its business, so it means money and influence. Europe and russia arent crazy to loose tge oil fields and buy it more expensive from the usa. Nato is old, after the cold war it lost its real target. Europe and russia are friends now, no need fop the usa anymore. The world has changed, the time of wargames is over.
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Sammy_boy
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Sorry @Boba, I have to disagree as well! If we negotiate with terrorists it sets a dangerous precedent. It could mean that any group that has a gripe with a European nation could use terrorism to force that country (or the EU) into accepting their demands. They'd end up thinking "well if Al-Qeieda did it, so can we!"
I do agree though that we need UN troops in Iraq, and some diplomats/envoys/whoever to try to resolve things over there in a way that doesn't involve tanks, AK47s, warplanes etc. etc.
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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scotsboyuk
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@Bobafett
Negotiate with bin Laden! Are you mad? No one should negotiate with that 'man', the only way to deal with him is by waging war, unrelenting war, against him and his followers. A united front against such people is the only answer, fight them all the way.
Do you really believe that he will hold true to his word? His back is against the wall and he knows it, he knows that he can never win and now he is desperately seeking to shore up his crumbling forces. Now is the time to hit him hard, root out his terror networks here in the West and attack his followers and centres of support around the world as fiercely as we can.
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BobaFett
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In their eyes the usa is the satan. In the usa they call them terrorists. Its their problem. Europe must stay neutral and make the best of it. And believe me, the eu will make it. As i wrote, oil! They should solve the problem, us and arabian world, with each other. No communism, the us needs a new enemy. Iraq had a lot of innocent victims in this whole war too. Arent they worth for a silent moment aswell?.... They are.
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Posted: 2004-04-14 17:34
