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orange
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On 2003-11-14 12:17:02, Jussi2000 wrote:
Yes and now Nokia wants to do new tests. I think that Nokia had some prblems with shortcircuit protection in their batteries and when first cases comes out Nokia made some changes for those batterymodels who exploses...
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Well, it doesn't count much what you think, facts are the things that count. Next you'll propably suggest that Nokia has paid something to this testhouse in Belgium. |
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decoy7
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Unsafe Nokia batteries - or counterfeits?
Belgian watchdog takes another look
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/68/33990.html
Unsafe Nokia batteries - or counterfeits?
By Jan Libbenga
Posted: 14/11/2003 at 10:20 GMT
Belgian consumer watchdog Test-Aankoop is to re-examine its claims that Nokia batteries are not safe. Nokia says that the batteries Test Aankoop tested must have been counterfeits.
Recently, the Belgian consumer watchdog, along with German counterpart Warentest, branded several Nokia mobile phone batteries as "unsafe" and "unprotected against short-circuiting", in particular the Nokia BML-3, BMC-3 and BLC-2.
This sparked of a vicious condemnation by Nokia, attacking these "totally false" claims. All Nokia batteries are designed and manufactured adhering to stringent safety and quality measures, Nokia said in a statement notably short of detail.
Both consumer organisations short circuited over 50 mobile phone batteries. Most of these batteries were able to withstand the test, but eight models with the name Nokia on it got really hot, to over 140 degrees Celsius. Some even melted. You can see pictures at this page. Oddly enough, the Nokia batteries tested in Germany were safe, while those purchased in shops in Belgium were not. Both organisations also emphasise that none of the batteries exploded.
However, Warentest still believes consumers should be careful when using Nokia batteries. 'We bought the batteries from retailers, just like any other consumer would have done,’ an Warentest test editor tells the German news site Spiegel Online. ® |
orange
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Here you go:
New study by Test-Aankoop confirms safety of Nokia batteries
http://press.nokia.com/PR/200311/925434_5.html |
Flying Finn
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So there you go.. they aren't dangerous. |
Universal Exports
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No, the old batteries are still dangerous. It's the new batteries where Nokia have put the "missing peace" in.
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Vlammetje
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That's not what the article says tho, Bond. maybe you oughta read it? 
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CrackerJack
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How would a consumer know if a Nokia battery is an original or counterfeit? As we all know, they all look the same from the outside.
INTEGRITY
Without it...
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It seems2me that the 'nokia defenders' r deaf&blind.Read it out loud:'The nokia phones r PROVED exploding, so stop defending them!' And when MANY DIFF'RENT organisations check 'em and the results r the same.Also,we all read the stories from different countries.Enuf said.
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Universal Exports
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@Vlammetje
 Got me there, I didn't read the article before posting  . But I still am right... The new test only proves that the new batteries are safe. This test tested the newest batteries, the old test tested the old batteries. And both tests are correct.
Check this article out (and make sure not to post before having read  )
Mobil.se (swedish site and I don't have time to translate now, could someone do that please?)
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ppcrockar
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Exactly and the batteries sent to the lab are most likely tested by Nokia before shipment to make sure they are ok.
Som of the people with exploding phones says they haven't changed the original battery that came with the phone. Nokia is trying really hard to make people believe that the original batteries are safe... they are trying a little too hard if you ask me.
A quote from Nokia at Mobil.se is quite intresting... a translated to english it would be someting like this:
"None of the exploding batteries in our finished tests have been found to be Nokia original batteries".. Well if you want to you could interperet this as the cases with original batteries exploding are still under investigation, and will probably be under investigation for a long time and in the meantime no completed tests show any original batteries involved. |
dimitrivd
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its bin here on the news a few days in belgium. There will maybe come a complaint against NOkia in Belgium.
Nokia says it is only a problem with 'fake' nokia bats. But the test showed that a lot of new models right from the shop have the same problem. It is unable to see a difference between the 'real' and 'fake' battery. And they sell them in normal mobile shops.
In belgium there are allready 15 exploded nokia bats this year.
It could be Nokia will be banned from the shops here untill the problem is solved. I dont think it will get that far. But it could be. 2 summers ago a belgian judge let remove all Coca-Cola drinks from the shelves. There was something wrong with it.
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Universal Exports
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You're from belgium, huh? Then could you please translate relevant info from the testers site, please.
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Jim
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Hahahahahahhaha, they where nice paid by Nokia to keep it quiet (Test Aankoop/Test Achat) again ..... Allways the same with them, they test something have some critics and after the concerned company have a little talk with them ... oh well we did a mistake, everything is fine ....
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Arne Anka
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Regardless if the exploding batteries are original Nokia or not, the fact is that Nokia phones are not safe while other manufacturers phones are safe
until the opposite is proven.
Nokia claims this is more evident with Nokia phones since they have so big market share, but on the other hand at least 60% of sold phones are not Nokia and
with Nokias calculus it means that by now we should
have heard about at least one or two exploding non Nokia phones, but that has not happend.
As a consumer your should not need any engineering skills to avoid killing your self with a phone. You ask for a Nokia phone or battery and the store gives you one. That's it. You should not need to worry about
anything else.
The conclution is simple. Nokia phones are more dangerous than other phones, period.
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orange
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On 2003-11-19 02:51:56, Arne Anka wrote:
Nokia claims this is more evident with Nokia phones since they have so big market share, but on the other hand at least 60% of sold phones are not Nokia and
with Nokias calculus it means that by now we should
have heard about at least one or two exploding non Nokia phones, but that has not happend.
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Where's your common sense!? Those remaining 60% are not compatible with each other, since it includes tens of different vendors. You don't have to be business genius to decide whether you make pirate batteries for vendor who have about 40% marketshare or for the vendor who have 5% marketshare. It's the volume that counts. And I'm pretty sure that there's similar accidents happened with other vendors also, but nobody really cares, if it happens to some vendor with minimal marketshare.
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On 2003-11-19 02:51:56, Arne Anka wrote:
As a consumer your should not need any engineering skills to avoid killing your self with a phone. You ask for a Nokia phone or battery and the store gives you one. That's it. You should not need to worry about
anything else.
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If you buy a Nokia phone, it will always come with safe original Nokia battery. Some vendors have problems even with their original products in the sales pack, e.g. chargers...
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On 2003-11-19 02:51:56, Arne Anka wrote:
The conclution is simple. Nokia phones are more dangerous than other phones, period.
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You still didn't get this?!?! This issue was not about phones, but batteries. And more specificly pirate batteries, which Nokia has nothing to do with.
I hope this helped you to understand this issue. If not, please do not hesitate to ask further information. |
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Posted: 2003-11-14 13:48
