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Sony Xperia rumors 2024 |
Hawk12
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On 2023-12-12 13:20:17, picke0901 wrote:
The next generation Xperia Pro will likely have a 1.33" sensor.  The protrusion of the camera part is going to be very thick.
That is micro 4/3. Without lame crop again, bump would be thicker than phone itself.
Much better to use a 1/1.12" exmor T. That is enough to outperform imx989 by far.
Any way E8M (former Cat Nya) said sensor makers are about to announce some micro 4/3 sensors.
Sony, Samsung , Omnivision .
Sony one seems to base on imx472, that would be 80MP quadbayer 2x2 OCL. Probably what OL System (acquired Olympus cam business).
80MP 1.65 micron ➡️ 20MP 3.3 micron @120fps
A9 iii does 120fps burst. Time to give to xperia (or whater it is called)
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Ambivalent_
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There have been some rumors of Sony doing a big redesign, in fact, it would be such a big redesign that Xperia brand would not be used anymore so Sony would make a whole new brand for their smartphones.
Is that true?
Personally I like everything about Xperia and I would only slightly evolve the design concept, no need for some design revolution. |
goldenface
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I'm not sure I agree. I think most of us can agree that the minor tweaks to the monolithic boxy design over the years hasn't transformed into a noticeable increase in sales.
If they were to go in a new direction, I think they can be depended on to deliver a premium product.
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Hawk12
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On 2023-12-13 16:29:31, goldenface wrote:
I'm not sure I agree. I think most of us can agree that the minor tweaks to the monolithic boxy design over the years hasn't transformed into a noticeable increase in sales.
If they were to go in a new direction, I think they can be depended on to deliver a premium product.
Majority of android phones sold on Earth cost between $100-400. Sony has no phone in this range.
Besides the absurd battery life and lightweight, 10 V has nothing else over competition.
Google is gaining territory in Japan with 6a and 7a. Both are almost equal to 6 and 7.
Some ppl claim, only 1 V is selling more than previous models. The other two are far behind.
Ppl are willing to pay $1200-1600 for Premium Xperia (ppl paid for Pro and Pro-i) , but dont see as worthy to buy the rest of line up.
Increase the marging on 1 and reduce on 10. This sacrifice may help.
Make 10vi (or whatever name it has) with stronger 7g3, 8GB, 256GB, give iphone 15 main cam (exmor T 1/1.6") + 1/2.8" super wide and 54mm , usb 3.1 and HDR screen. I bet many would pay €450-480 for it.
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Hawk12
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No clue if real or not.
Qualcomm 4g2.
https://sumahodigest.com/wp-c[....]pg.pagespeed.ic.var2bdR7zr.jpg |
cool_sauce
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Well Sony's been proven wrong for investing into continuous zoom lens. Nothing wrong that they tried, and they were ahead of the game with 1III variable zoom but eventually the lens crop has won. |
Hawk12
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On 2023-12-16 01:14:14, cool_sauce wrote:
Well Sony's been proven wrong for investing into continuous zoom lens. Nothing wrong that they tried, and they were ahead of the game with 1III variable zoom but eventually the lens crop has won.
digital you mean. That has quality loss too.
also you cannot keep video resolution, unless when it uses upscales that impacts heavily quality. |
cool_sauce
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On 2023-12-16 11:01:35, Hawk12 wrote:
On 2023-12-16 01:14:14, cool_sauce wrote:
Well Sony's been proven wrong for investing into continuous zoom lens. Nothing wrong that they tried, and they were ahead of the game with 1III variable zoom but eventually the lens crop has won.
digital you mean. That has quality loss too.
also you cannot keep video resolution, unless when it uses upscales that impacts heavily quality.
Video on telephoto lens is useless. No amount of OIS and digital stabilization can help that lens. Telephoto is purely for photos. Xperia telephoto is crippled as hell when it comes to video, HLG video looks super bad so SDR is your only option. Then there is micro jitter even with stabilization on, there is focus hunting and so on. Still images that come out of 85mm look like from original Xperia XZ |
Hawk12
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On 2023-12-16 22:16:51, cool_sauce wrote:
On 2023-12-16 11:01:35, Hawk12 wrote:
On 2023-12-16 01:14:14, cool_sauce wrote:
Well Sony's been proven wrong for investing into continuous zoom lens. Nothing wrong that they tried, and they were ahead of the game with 1III variable zoom but eventually the lens crop has won.
digital you mean. That has quality loss too.
also you cannot keep video resolution, unless when it uses upscales that impacts heavily quality.
Video on telephoto lens is useless. No amount of OIS and digital stabilization can help that lens. Telephoto is purely for photos. Xperia telephoto is crippled as hell when it comes to video, HLG video looks super bad so SDR is your only option. Then there is micro jitter even with stabilization on, there is focus hunting and so on. Still images that come out of 85mm look like from original Xperia XZ
If you do not edit HLG, it is surely gonna look awful. Too bright and lifeless. HLG is not supposed to be used without heavy post production like HDR10/Dolby. Considering periscope is cropped to 1/3.5" (when it should not) , being on pair with XZ is bonus.
Anyway, is there any confirmation about the changes rumors talk about? I do not buy the UDC rumor. Zte uses 1080p and their UDC is ultra crap, imagine behind 4K. No way. |
Hawk12
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Ultra urgent : 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
The undead that have not disappeard posted on weibo:
" I saw the new pro series design draft. The main camera is centered in a concentric ring surrounding the super wide and periscope main and secondary separation designs. The main camera ring is equiped with manual focus aperture and zoom design . There are indeed many design ingenuites in the pro line."
" The only thing that I think would be pity is that other companies' small variable apertures can achieve stepless adjustments. Sony's has larger blades due to early development of the project and the size and weight of motor. It should not be able to achieve stepless adjustment. "
Probably only in october, to allow haters to ask why not using 8g4.
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RacSony
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On 2023-12-17 17:26:41, Hawk12 wrote:
Ultra urgent : 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
The undead that have not disappeard posted on weibo:
" I saw the new pro series design draft. The main camera is centered in a concentric ring surrounding the super wide and periscope main and secondary separation designs. The main camera ring is equiped with manual focus aperture and zoom design . There are indeed many design ingenuites in the pro line."
" The only thing that I think would be pity is that other companies' small variable apertures can achieve stepless adjustments. Sony's has larger blades due to early development of the project and the size and weight of motor. It should not be able to achieve stepless adjustment. "
Probably only in october, to allow haters to ask why not using 8g4.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2023-12-17 16:34 ]
Link please?
I can't visualize it. Can someone draw a simple schematic for me?
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Hawk12
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On 2023-12-17 17:40:36, RacSony wrote:
On 2023-12-17 17:26:41, Hawk12 wrote:
Ultra urgent : 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
The undead that have not disappeard posted on weibo:
" I saw the new pro series design draft. The main camera is centered in a concentric ring surrounding the super wide and periscope main and secondary separation designs. The main camera ring is equiped with manual focus aperture and zoom design . There are indeed many design ingenuites in the pro line."
" The only thing that I think would be pity is that other companies' small variable apertures can achieve stepless adjustments. Sony's has larger blades due to early development of the project and the size and weight of motor. It should not be able to achieve stepless adjustment. "
Probably only in october, to allow haters to ask why not using 8g4.
Link please?
I can't visualize it. Can someone draw a simple schematic for me?
[ This Message was edited by: RacSony on 2023-12-17 17:49 ]
He just posted the text, no image. If this is true, bump is gonna be nasty, like oppo and xiaomi. Even worse if cmos is 4/3.
Lens made for 📷 has ring you control the f value, "slider button" you switch AF/MF. W↔️T "slider button" if lens is zoom type.
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tai020381
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On 2023-12-17 17:40:36, RacSony wrote:
On 2023-12-17 17:26:41, Hawk12 wrote:
Ultra urgent : 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
The undead that have not disappeard posted on weibo:
" I saw the new pro series design draft. The main camera is centered in a concentric ring surrounding the super wide and periscope main and secondary separation designs. The main camera ring is equiped with manual focus aperture and zoom design . There are indeed many design ingenuites in the pro line."
" The only thing that I think would be pity is that other companies' small variable apertures can achieve stepless adjustments. Sony's has larger blades due to early development of the project and the size and weight of motor. It should not be able to achieve stepless adjustment. "
Probably only in october, to allow haters to ask why not using 8g4.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2023-12-17 16:34 ]
Link please?
I can't visualize it. Can someone draw a simple schematic for me?
[ This Message was edited by: RacSony on 2023-12-17 17:49 ]
Here you go
https://sumahodigest.com/?p=25758 |
Hawk12
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https://sumahodigest.com/?p=25846
It says weibo post suggests Superwide and periscope with variants of LYT600 (50MP 1/2") and LYT500 (50MP 1/2.9"). These two are Exmor RS still, there is no mention if variants for "xperia" are Exmor T or not.
Sony Europe has required a booth at MWC.
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Hawk12
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EM8_888 (fromer Cat_Nya and back to previous name) on weibo:
24mm : 48MP 1.12 micron , exmor T
14-18mm : 48MP 0.6 micron, exmor T
70-135mm: 48MP 0.6 micron , exmor T |
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Posted: 2023-12-12 22:58
