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MWEB
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Nope, underrated/overrated equates to the expectations at the price, value is everything, you must make judgements on a relative basis, you cannot underrate a £500 device which should meet all the requirements in its price sector. likewise you cannot overrate a £50 device, which would not be expected to do much, if it does, then it's underrated, perception is much too personal an attribute to be considered in this argument 
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carkitter
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You've contradicted yourself.
You speak about perceptions of value and preconcieved ideas on what constitutes value then disregard perception as a factor. 
Vertu's could easily be underrated. I and no doubt others consider them irrelevant, pointless and overpriced, but to those who use the concierge feature, value the build quality and the bling factor, a X1, N95 or C905 just won't cut it.
Likewise, low priced phones and old style monochrome phones are often obsessively prized by people who love to boast of how many years they've had their phone or how many times they've dropped it and yet it's survived. A 2.0Mp camera, memory card support (or large internal memory) and Bluetooth are the bare minimum I can stand to have. The advantges of any phone without those are overstated IMO.
Again its perception not price that counts in this topic.
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mode
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@MWEB
The problem now is clearly the definition of the word "Underrated". Your underrated means price vs function whereby my (and most of the others I believe) definition of it is perception vs function. Well, it's up to you if you prefer to remain out of topic
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MWEB
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Perception is entirely personal to one's self, making any judgements based upon it entirely worthless to anyone other than yourself
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carkitter
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On 2009-01-31 12:43:11, MWEB wrote:
Perception is entirely personal to one's self, making any judgements based upon it entirely worthless to anyone other than yourself
That is entirely the point.
When many peoples personal perceptions leave a good featured mobile phone ignored by the market and generally unloved, that phone is underrated, regardless of price.
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Look MWEB, if you wanna argue about perception, it won't hold your argument simply because the topic says "underrated SE phone", not "underrated phone" in general which you adamantly seem to imply. Besides, eventhough SE is known to overprice their phones, each and every phone is being priced relative to their functions within the SE (over)price bracket. Doing anything different than that (good function, low price) would not be likely unless they decide to take the whole ceiling price level down. Therefore, if all SE phones are priced relatively the same, there's no such thing as cheap SE phone with great specs and therefore, no underrated phone according to your definition . It's the same with any other brand, only with their own lower price brackets.
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MWEB
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Some SE phones are not over-priced, C905 is fair value for what it offers, new g705 is pretty good too, W902 is expensive and lacks WiFi and GPS, dress it up how you will, performance IS relative to price IMO.
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On 2009-01-31 13:27:34, MWEB wrote:
Some SE phones are not over-priced, C905 is fair value for what it offers, new g705 is pretty good too, W902 is expensive and lacks WiFi and GPS, dress it up how you will, performance IS relative to price IMO.
So you seriously think SE didn't compromise on any aspect in C905 to achieve their 'cheap' status? It can be anything from big volume to cheaper material, because making it cheaper just for the hell of it doesn't make sense. And oh, you're not saying C905 is underrated are you?
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MWEB
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Well i dont own a W902, so i dont have to big it up in any way shape or form, same goes for the C905, but the latter is more underrated from a neutrals stanpoint.
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mode
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On 2009-01-31 13:53:09, MWEB wrote:
Well i dont own a W902, so i dont have to big it up in any way shape or form, same goes for the C905, but the latter is more underrated from a neutrals stanpoint.
And with this statement, your logic has gone down the drain for the world to see. C905, underrated...pffh..
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MWEB
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On 2009-01-31 14:29:11, mode wrote:
On 2009-01-31 13:53:09, MWEB wrote:
Well i dont own a W902, so i dont have to big it up in any way shape or form, same goes for the C905, but the latter is more underrated from a neutrals stanpoint.
And with this statement, your logic has gone down the drain for the world to see. C905, underrated...pffh..
Compared toW902, as it obviously reads to any normal person.
anyway, i'll leave the fanboys alone to push their own phones in this thread from here on in.
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Quite timely too since you are off topic. Thanks
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On 2009-01-31 10:32:38, QVGA wrote:
On 2009-01-30 13:28:21, max_wedge wrote:
I also find the SE A200 UI is under-rated compared to other brands. The java multi-tasking, shortcut assignments through activity menu and dpad in standby, task switching and general thoughtfulness of UI layout and methods. In my view the SE A200 UI can usually be more compared against smartphones than other feature phones.
Multitasking isnt the holy grail of an OS. When people buy a non smart phone the last thing you expect them to do is to multitask. The A200 UI is now pretty old IMO and needs an upgrade. Having used it, and having used the newest samsung interface like the one in U900, I'd prefer the U900 any day simply because its more fun and has a highly customizable interface. Not to mention it looks just far better with neat animations here and there, which again can be customized.
Which smart phone exactly would you compare the A200 with?
I compare the UI of my W910 with that of my N95 8GB. Many common tasks take half as many button presses in A200 as they do in s60. The A200 UI is much quicker moving from menu to menu (even the media player is generally faster, though not for images). The A200 camera software is better designed and a hundred times faster than the slow and clunky s60 camera. Retrieving contacts is faster and less button presses. T9 is better in most respects. There are many other examples. Basically A200 is a much more thoughtfully designed UI than s60, and that makes it more efficient and enjoyable to use.
Apps/Music or Video/Games/Messaging/Internet(via operamini) can run concurrently so most multi-tasking is covered, compared to other feature phones. Take S40 for example - A200 is streaks ahead of S40 in usability and multi-tasking ability.
The point I'm making is that A200 is closer to a smartphone OS than it is other brands non-smart OS's. I'm not trying to say it's the same or as flexible as a full smartphone os, just that it's underrated because people assume it's as limited as S40 and other non-smart os's when it's actually qualitatively different.
Anyway there is no multi-tasking in iphone but that doesn't stop people calling it a smartphone, so I think the definition of smartphone in the modern age is one that can do a lot of shit. Multi-tasking itself is actually OVERRATED as phone features go for most people. (mind you power users like us of course can't do without it - and I don't feel any better off with my N95 than I do when using my W910 when it comes to multi-tasking.)
If I had a W910 with wifi and decent camera I wouldn't be using the N95 at all. That basically means the C905, and yes I am saving up for one 
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xzite
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Now i'm not a C series user so can't comment on the C905 but from what i've seen they look worth every cent i meant whats the MP on the camera again someone remind MWEB & Me please in way of cost take into consideration the technology in the higher costs phones & the work to ensure they don't stuff up a month later add the design, sound & feel & honestly Sony Ericsson doesn't really over-rate or over-price i think all Sony Ericsson Products are worth what you pay if not you wouldn't be looking in the first place would you...now IPhones haha i'm kidding thats a WHOLE different topic
EDIT: I saw a W910 owner please check out my V640 Vs W910 Topic under general & leave a comment...Thanks
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