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number1
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Once again planks pic is resized, how is anyone ment to judge quality on a resized pic is the cam really that bad the pic has to be resized to make it look half decent.
low-light from my k800 1/3 shutter iso 320 fullsized
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]y+ericsson&model=k800i+special
i didn't take that many low-light pics with my k800i because it wasn't that good in low-light.
The c702 does a half decent job but nothing manages low-light like the s700 which is 4 years old.
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]make=sony+ericsson&model=s700i
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milan91
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Raiderski, bravo  I know this but many people not...
btw. all planks low light pics are always 1/1000 or 1/640... I want to see real low light pic with 1/15, or 1/8...
Lol when plank post pic from 6220 and exposure 1/20 it was blured, he can't still his hand with 1/20... Yea plank is best photographer...
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number1
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On 2008-08-23 21:09:38, milan91 wrote:
Lol when plank post pic from 6220 and exposure 1/20 it was blured, he can't still his hand with 1/20... Yea plank is best photographer...
I don't think it's so much to do with that as the phone can be placed on a flat surface and the selftimer used, it's more to do with the c902 can't handle proper low-light so all we're gonna get are resized pics no high than iso 64. |
Raiderski
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would be nice to see something like ISO400 1/8s in full size, this will be the best example
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number1
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On 2008-08-23 21:45:58, Raiderski wrote:
would be nice to see something like ISO400 1/8s in full size, this will be the best example
It would be easier to get blood from a stone lol |
AbuBasim
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On 2008-08-23 21:45:58, Raiderski wrote:
would be nice to see something like ISO400 1/8s in full size, this will be the best example
I know of a camphone that uses up to 10 seconds at ISO 50...
(Hint: it has a Sony 5 MP CCD sensor. Default shutter speed in Night mode is 4 seconds max but it can go up to 10 with EV +2.)
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number1
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On 2008-08-23 22:38:55, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2008-08-23 21:45:58, Raiderski wrote:
would be nice to see something like ISO400 1/8s in full size, this will be the best example
I know of a camphone that uses up to 10 seconds at ISO 50...
(Hint: it has a Sony 5 MP CCD sensor. Default shutter speed in Night mode is 4 seconds max but it can go up to 10 with EV +2.)
The i-mobile and goodluck holding that still, don't them shutter speeds just make it impossible to use. |
Raiderski
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well, I found ugly pic from C902 (exposure 1/8, ISO500, full size) which wasn't that easy. I tried to prepare similar light and subject for K800, with manual functions I set exposure and ISO, next step was to take ugly snapshot and then compare both
1. we are talking about "comparision" not comparision
2. I'm not posting any pics, still waiting for full size night pic from this forum to repeat test
do you remember hot pixels (red, green, blue) on K800 pics when ISO is growing up? well, ISO500 picture from C902 don't have this pixels, can we open the champagne now? hold on, there is also chroma noise on both pics which is quite normal, level of this noise on both pictures seems to be identical. C902 is more sensitive on red/pink color (more noise) while K800 sensitivity seems to be identical on all colors
ok, at least C902 don't have hot pixels to ISO500, this is good improvement! everything else doesn't matter for now
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AbuBasim
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On 2008-08-23 22:40:38, number1 wrote:
On 2008-08-23 22:38:55, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2008-08-23 21:45:58, Raiderski wrote:
would be nice to see something like ISO400 1/8s in full size, this will be the best example
I know of a camphone that uses up to 10 seconds at ISO 50...
(Hint: it has a Sony 5 MP CCD sensor. Default shutter speed in Night mode is 4 seconds max but it can go up to 10 with EV +2.)
The i-mobile and goodluck holding that still, don't them shutter speeds just make it impossible to use.
Yes, of course, and that's not different from any other camphone shooting night shots, is it? With any camera (phone), if the shutter is slower than 1/20s, shooting handheld is difficult without blurring the photos.
Or maybe you prefer the new type of "image stabilisation" used in some digicams and SE's cyber-shot camphones: very high ISO with fast shutter but with lots of noise. This feature is even available on my Fuji F40fd but I never use it as the result looks like sh*t, almost as bad as those oil paintings produced by the N95...
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plankgatan
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im 100% sure that C902 produce better night & low light pics then K810...(ive been taken to many low light pics with k800/k810 to know the difference)
and number1... of course C902 use a larger sensor then K810.
K810 sensor is 6.47mm diagonal... (unit cell size 2.5ym)
C902 isensor is 6.52mm diagonal.... (unit cell size 2.0ym)
(if we say C902 use some kind of IMX-02X (which it probably do))
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razec
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@plank:
even with the C902's physical sensor size being larger than K800, C902's unit cell size is smaller than K800 thus, more chances of pixel errors produced |
plankgatan
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what i mean with C902 shows better details, is this:
watch the leafs and everything else in the background... (the background stays sharp & real even that the camera focus on the "object") ... there you have C902 strongest side.
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Raiderski
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this pic is not even a close to low-light. I proved this on previous page. we are still waiting for really low-light and night pics in full size by C902. dear user of C902 don't be shy  we (users of K800) are not...
original driver
modded driver (the best example to show how hardware is limited by firmware)
Plank was using original driver in his K800. I understand why he don't like K800 pics
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plankgatan
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first of all. what have modded k800 software to with this thread ???? (once again you bounce away off topic)
i know for sure that a K800 or a K810 never will have the same details & lightness as a picture like this, it nothing for nothing that one of the largest Europeen digital magazin gave C902 10 of 10 points..or ???
or like this
C902 is little better on everything, except for long distance Flash pics.....
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Raiderski
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off topic? why modded? any why not? are we talking about pictures quality or not? why I can't post pics to show everyone that K800 can take nice pics in weak light? you don't like modded driver because it improves quality and this is inconvenient fact for your C902, silly
i know for sure that a K800 or a K810 never will have the same details & lightness as a picture like this
1. LOL
2. for sure even Nikon D3 "never will have the same..."
3. I know for sure that there is a life in space
4. did you already propose this "low-light" photography in order to add to this list: http://tnij.org/bo2b ?
5. "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"
C902 is little better on everything
only "a little"? good news, previously I thought it is killing K800. to be honest, I hate xenon - do you want my flash lamp? I will take your LED
ok, I know I know "...never will have the same details & lightness..." but I'm only posting this pic
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can we finally see night pic (something like ISO400 1/8s) in full size?
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