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Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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@chamak
As i pointed our previously i don't know maybe you missed it but most of us here prefer and have used UIQ for longer than any other smart phone OS.
We really are aware of how good UIQ could be but currently despite what most are happy to claim UIQ does not run fast on the current devices and this is down primarily to the lack of decent hardware.
When people like Mizzle and Ares even say UIQ would fly on new hardware it is hardly a debatable point. So even if UIQ with it's illogical menus system and slow speed is still good the lack of decent hardware cripple it.
For close to two years i have now used S60 and discovered that for ME i no longer feel the need for a Touch screen. In fact after trying an iPhone which has probably the best UI on Touch Screen i have discovered i just really don't like using a Touch Screen any longer.
But the only reason i left UIQ was due to how bad and buggy it was with my M600. Add to that over the last two years that even newly released devices still carried the legacy of previously known bugs and the lack of any hardware advancement and is it really a surprise i haven't been able to find a device to entice my return.
Now if all of you are happy to buy and use devices that are lacking in hardware and HSDPA fair enough it's your money and your choice but it certainly isn't mine.
As long as theses key features are missing there isn't a device i can choose is there? At that same time whilst current users even complain of how slow it is to open apps it really doesn't matter how pretty it looks it is inferior to some one who doesn't need a touch screen at any cost and whose device of choice gives him all the features he wants and is fast with great battery life.. it really is that simple UIQ is failing to deliver a premium user experience for now and until it changes those of us that have now found devices from other manufacturers are unlikely to return.
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So even if UIQ with it's illogical menus system
What is logical??? s60???
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chamak
Joined: Jan 05, 2006
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From: Bangladesh
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So even if UIQ with it's illogical menus system and.....
@Dogmann
Could you be a bit more specific please, as I was ?
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Yes I know you loved uiq2 left UIQ for a buggy M600i, and of-course I agree with the hardware limitation of current UIQ3 devices, but that doesn't make S60 a better OS in my opinion. It's just a upgraded OS platform from S40 to use native softwares, that's all. In fact it looks nothing like a smart-phone OS should look. That's why it's so user-friendly(!)- because previous S40 users can easily switch to S60, and could find almost everything where they used to see.
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let me tell you my story, I've EDGE here in my country and as P1i was lacking EDGE i went to N95 and do you wanna know the outcome? I've bought an EDGE modem carbon-copied my SIM to use with my PC/Laptop rather using N95 as my primary set. You wanna know why? Funny thing is the most provoking reason was a hardware limitation and that was the lowest battery life performance I've ever seen after Siemens's worst batteries. I felt like why would you make a person GOD and give some second(s) of life to take the advantage! Sorry, but this IS my choice.
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pnf1973
Joined: Oct 04, 2007
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I think that there are quirks to both s60 and uiq in terms of menu structure. Its rather like comparing windows and macos..... well perhaps not 
Personally i've found uiq3 to be more logical than uiq2, not less. I like the soft buttons, and the menus. But yes, I agree that the hardware needs updating. Given the choice I still prefer uiq to s60, but I am willing to move to s60 because of the things that SE keep missing.
I'm hopeful that now the system folders have been hacked that most of flaws in UIQ will be plugged, I don't hold any hope for SE actually implementing these fixes into the firmware though.
I really think that there is huge potential in uiq, but i really think that SE might have killed it. Hopefully the new uiq handsets coming this year will broaden the appeal somewhat. |
Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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From: London England
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@chamak
Well OK firstly it is not just me that mentions the illogical manner in which UIQ3 seems to work as far as menu and short cuts work. To be honest it's nearly two years ago that i last used UIQ3 so i can't actually remember exact examples but the whole UI was just so frustratingly slow and despite all these complaints of having to dig down in menu's for S60 i have found it to be so much quicker and more logical.
Again all these claims about S40 being no different to S60 i just don't get as the only S40 device i have used is a 8800 and that wasn't close to the power of S60.
All i can say is that in the last two years and even now there is no SE/UIQ smart phone that offers me the spec's and functions i want. The screens seem to be getting smaller not larger unlike most devices we are seeing released.
But it appears that even the Networks are not so keen on UIQ as at least here in the UK only one network sold the P1 and it wasn't because it was an exclusive either.
Despite what some may think i am not a believer in brand loyalty as that IMO just makes no sense. As a pro consumer i choose my devices by what they offer in relation to what i want and only then will i choose one manufacturer over another if all other factors are equal. But in all honesty after the way SE has treated it's users of late and the state of recently released devices plus how long the firmwares to fix them take to come SE is no longer my first choice far from it is true.
If you look around even this a pro SE forum it seems i am far from being alone either with this opinion. The amount of complaint threads and all the users that now have devices from other manufacturers can't be seen as good. Neither can the recent results or the direction SE appears to be going.
Now if UIQ suits you and what you want fair enough use it and be happy but for me it doesn't as yet and i don't know if it ever will again at the rate it is progressing.
Marc
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Nipsen
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That was a lot about the inconsistent menu- links between apps, I guess (and the arrows on the calendar)..
I agree it's irritating, at least. Specially that SE won't fix such a simple thing. Not that it comes near the "can only paste about 300 characters into an opera text- field" problem..
(How is copy- pasting on s60 and the webkit browser, btw? ) |
WhiteEye
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I prefer UIQ.
from my observations, sometimes it's better off not knowing. |
Nipsen
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I prefer torturing s60 fanboys.
edit: apropos:
http://discussions.europe.nok[....]d=smartphones&message.id=88014
Apparently the n96 uses an arm9 setup without the separate graphics chip config. They continue to delete my posts over at m-r - so does anyone here know if this is true?
(And what about the n78? It apparently has a significantly longer music playback time than any of the other s60 devices - is this a hint?)
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shuvo13
Joined: Feb 15, 2005
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Again and again Dogmann is posting the same thing the spec and touch screen which he doesnot prefer. i dont know what on earth we have to do to draw his attention to the topic heading S60 and UIQ3. its not abt SE support or spec or hardware or Mhz fight. hold any P1i and see that its 208Mhz processor with its 128MB RAM is really fast without any lagging. trust me on that. and see in my signature. i am using a N95 for 4 months now. and really miss a lot the UI of UIQ3. S60 is no where near to smartphone UI. i am holding a n95 for its specs only (EDGE, GPS, 5 MPX cam etc.)
In UI UIQ3 is far more superior and advanced and provide me a lot of option in day to day use and advance working those are mentioned already here.
so pls Dogmann argue with logic. dont only stuck what is not the point in this topic. cause thats irrelevent. and try to be logical. u get the best debator award 2007. i guess how it happened now a days. i am a long term reader of ur readings. but now a days u r just arguing without excepting logic. hoping to see a previous logical Dogmann.
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hosehead
Joined: May 27, 2008
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From: Geneva, Switzerland
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I had an e61 for a month and thought it was okay.
i've had my P1 for 8 months now and i want to smash it. It is so incredibly bad that i dread using it. The email doesn't work more than half the time. it is slow as molasses in the winter. the interface is horrific.
i can't say that S60 is great but SE's implementation of UIQ3 on their P1 will make me end my 10 year relationship with their products. goodbye SE. |
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