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jb
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than SE. It is obvious now that SE doesn't stand a chance against Nokia, but it can at least try do beat the other manufacturers...
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Well, around here (europe, northern europe) it is really SE against Nokia. I can't say anything about the rest of the world but when it comes to market segments; nokia and SE are pretty much against each other.
Remember also that since sales of mobile phones are seasonal and related to WHEN the company releases phones; it should be more appropriate to use moving averages (i.e. average over longer period) rather than instant measures. I have yet to see any good graphs of that.
Keep in mind also the non-existent relationship between profits, volume and quality. Volkswagen beetle is the most manufactured car of all time. As far as I know.
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Orka
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On 2002-11-05 19:51, jb wrote:
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than SE. It is obvious now that SE doesn't stand a chance against Nokia, but it can at least try do beat the other manufacturers...
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Well, around here (europe, northern europe) it is really SE against Nokia. I can't say anything about the rest of the world but when it comes to market segments; nokia and SE are pretty much against each other.
Remember also that since sales of mobile phones are seasonal and related to WHEN the company releases phones; it should be more appropriate to use moving averages (i.e. average over longer period) rather than instant measures. I have yet to see any good graphs of that.
Keep in mind also the non-existent relationship between profits, volume and quality. Volkswagen beetle is the most manufactured car of all time. As far as I know.
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Yes I agree. The same situation is here in Grece.  and Nokia are the makers with best selling devices. Samsung, panasonic, motorola etc are not so popular. |
Raven
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On 2002-11-05 19:39, Orka wrote:
To all anti-Nokia funs:
In case which decline and finally close down will be a problem to all consumers even if they are Nokia funs or whatever, since competition enchances and delivers better products to us. Imagine the case that cellular phones will be produced by one and single manufaturer. Do you believe that they will deliver the same high quality phones? Monopoly is really bad to customers in every business. So, don't pray that will finally close down.
By the way, this will never happen cause it is huge and really strong organization.
I cannot understand also , why so many people want from to produce a new phone.... T68i is selling like crazy right now, it has everything and its cost is reasonable. Nokia needs 6 devices to compete with t68i. So, why so much discusion about that?
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lol... So if SE throws in the towel there will be no more competition in the cellphone market?? Are you for real?! You give SE way to much credit man! There are other manufacturers you know. It's not all 'bout Nokia vs. SE! 
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bart
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i agree whit raven. here in belgium 85% of the phones sold are nokia this Q4 not included. siemens is selling great to 8% the rest are other brands but this Q4 is selling very very much! i think in Q2 2003 will have more then 40% of the market in a sort time.
With Ericsson and Nokia gone: we must keep their spirits alive and buy JOLLA or YOTA |
Froddan
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No problems with the original T68m???
Well, guess I was just "unlucky" to have all kinds of problems with mine,
all three of them...
Now, with the i SW, it's quite ok, but the m SW, was...I'm speachless... |
Raven
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I think you are bit optimistic there, Bart... SE might do very well in Q2, but they'll also be competing with forthcoming brands like Samsung, Panasonic and Siemens...- I predict those brands will do really well in Europe next year. Motorola too has some interesting handsets about to be released next year.
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bart
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i agree on those new motorola's but most of them are expencieve. siemens ok but there softwear is still behind. those samsungs are great but not many people like clapshell phones and samsung still uses that antenna. panasonic mm i don't think that the will do good maby a few of GD67 and GD87 but that's it nothing more. most people are getting bored whit nokia they want something brand new not always the same or an update like 3310/3330/3410/3510 the want something complete new and is that thing. as long as will supply enough T300 for xmas in every country and do a bit of advertising the 3510i will not sell that much. |
Raven
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Yes, the T300 might do very well if SE manages to advertise it properly. All those kids to day who go for the 33##, 34## and 35## series, that's the market segment SE should aim at with the T300, IMO!
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bart
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but i think advertising for the T300 is very good but the T200 had no advertising and the damand is actualy as high as when the nokia 3310 came out here. the like the design and want some thing else then nokia so they buy it. i hope makes a special xmas cover for the T300 that will be an extra promotion and ofcourse the 007 T300 packs will be promoted in 007 movie. trust me will do just well even whit the introduction of those new nokia's. |
Hoggi
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I bought some Ericsson stocks on monday. They have really done a "great job" rearranging the organisation.
I really believe that SE is superior to Nokia in next generations technology. When mobile phones become more than just a phone, (with camera, pda, "gameboy", e-mail even TV) I believe Nokia will fall behind. Maybe to 10-15% of the market. So I really hope SE get some exquisite design on their new models, then SE will be a good investment for me. But i'm in for the long market 
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Raven
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@Hoggi, I really don't agree with you. There's no way Nokia will fall down to a market share of 10-15%. But we'll all just have to wait and see what the future brings!
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bart
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end of this year maby 35-37% end of next year i don't know but at the end of Q2 maby some 30% or less. ok maby to optimistic but i believe in it. and i'll do my best to see that almost every body i know will buy in 2 months i made sure that 5 R600 and 2 T200 were sold. not much but a small start. |
egg378
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i used to be loyal to nokia and their phones, but they just dont offer enuff features i want in their phones...i luv my t68i...it is small, versatile, and i think looks the best...i'll be happy with my T68i for a while...nothing on the market at this point and none in the next few months compares...until it does SE and the T68i all the way!!!
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Gustaf
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That's really good Bart if some more people do that we have just seen the begining of the ....
If play their cards right they can really make a profit on the 007 movie. The T68i is very well know all around the world but it will be even more well know after the movie. The P800 that almost no one except some mobilefreaks knowabout will be pretty know after the movie also.
If they can make some JB kits it would have been good too like Sony Ericsson did (T29s MTV kit). Sold good in Sweden I think.
I know that after Tomorrow Never Dies the demand after the JB007 (Ericssons prototype for the movie) was high, a guy at Ericsson said that they got mails every day a very long time after that movie. |
bart
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i just want to say that here in belgium alot of people know of the P800 every store where they sell phones have some posters of them. and has got some small books/folders on the market of this winter whit all there phone en functions in it realy cool! you can see all there phone in that book whit alot of good pics and specifications. there all in it except the T100 that one will be in the book of Q1 2003 i think. no such books/folders in you country? |
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