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A review of SE's phone software / GUI (vs Nokia's S40 3rd Edition platform) |
aragorn666
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whay r u people comparing n 40 series to se high end phones
se low end phones like j series r even much better than n 40 series
both in performence and in user interface
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Im reffering to software comparison, not hardware/fone. lets focus on the topic shall we?
I Think both ui have each taste.
but i personally prefer 
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apolloa:
In effect you've just compared the user base for the entire Nokia S60 range against one Sony Ericsson model in that statement
It is only to show that many people are very comfortable in using s60. You and max are the ones that advocate that unlike SE UI, the s60 is complicated and only techies can use it
the K800I is not the best SE can do. that'll be the P990I, M600I and W950I smart phones
If I am not mistaken 2 of the phones got no camera. And the one that has got only a 2Mp and was so late in coming to market. btw: SE did not make the UIQ3 which is used in p990/w950/m600. It came from Symbian which we know Nokia has a huge share. s60 on the other hand is totally developed by nokia.
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On 2006-08-29 15:16:11, mib1800 wrote:
It came from Symbian which we know Nokia has a huge share.
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To be more precise, UIQ is developed by a Swedish based company called UIQ Technology, which in turn is a Symbian subsidiary since 1999 (UIQ was founded in 1998 by Ericsson Mobile Communications, but under a different name). |
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i would love to see SE have a crack at their version of s60 or convert their UIQ to a non-touchscreen version.. it would be awesome
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On 2006-08-29 15:16:11, mib1800 wrote:
It is only to show that many people are very comfortable in using s60. You and max are the ones that advocate that unlike SE UI, the s60 is complicated and only techies can use it
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actually I never said that at all, you assume that from what I said.
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btw: SE did not make the UIQ3 which is used in p990/w950/m600. It came from Symbian which we know Nokia has a huge share. s60 on the other hand is totally developed by nokia.
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1. UIQ3 is not developed by Nokia, it is SE who have contributed the bulk of resouces to UIQ3 development. UIQ is owned by Symbian.
2. Symbian is not driven by Nokia (although they have a lot of influence) - Symbian is a multi-partisan industry body, of which Nokia is only one member. The purpose of Symbian is to benefit all industry players, and the Symbian group will break up if Nokia start forcing their terms onto other members.
You simply can't claim Nokia own UIQ3 by proxy. You can't even claim Nokia own Symbian. It shows a complete lack of understanding of how industry bodies operate.
SE DID make UIQ3, it was their ideas and their development bucks that are responsible for UIQ3.
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On 2006-08-29 15:16:11, mib1800 wrote:
apolloa:
In effect you've just compared the user base for the entire Nokia S60 range against one Sony Ericsson model in that statement
It is only to show that many people are very comfortable in using s60. You and max are the ones that advocate that unlike SE UI, the s60 is complicated and only techies can use it
the K800I is not the best SE can do. that'll be the P990I, M600I and W950I smart phones
If I am not mistaken 2 of the phones got no camera. And the one that has got only a 2Mp and was so late in coming to market.
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So you really are stupid enough to use nearly Nokia's entire phone range against the K800I to back your argument up.
I said the P990I, M600I and W950I are there best as when compared to Nokia series 60 devices, because they are the only true SMART PHONES Sony Ericsson make. So they MUST be used to compare with any S60 phone hence why even the review didn't use a S60 phone, because even they can tell the fact that the K800I doesn't use a smart phone interface where you it seems cannot.
I can argue with you all day long but as someone posted earlier on it this thread there is no point with you because your adament in using series 60 for your arguments, of course you have to use S60 in your arguments because the article has already said that the S40 interface is not as good.
And yes the P990I has a 2MP camera, but at least it has autofocus and rated as one of the best, unlike the N80's macro mode switch, not that has anything to do with the user interfaces. |
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i would love to see SE have a crack at their version of s60 or convert their UIQ to a non-touchscreen version.. it would be awesome
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They do have their own "version" of s60, it's called UIQ3!! SE will never use s60 imho, it gives too much profit back to Nokia, and not enough to SE, that's one reason they stick with their own interface.
And it's been rumoured for ages they will bring out a hard screen version, but who knows. I think with advent of phones like K800 (with JAVA multi-tasking), they may feel they don't need to.
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i would love to see SE have a crack at their version of s60 or convert their UIQ to a non-touchscreen version.. it would be awesome
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They do have their own "version" of s60, it's called UIQ3!! SE will never use s60 imho, it gives too much profit back to Nokia, and not enough to SE, that's one reason they stick with their own interface.
And it's been rumoured for ages they will bring out a hard screen version, but who knows. I think with advent of phones like K800 (with JAVA multi-tasking), they may feel they don't need to.
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meh.. yes i know s60 is nokia blah blah blah... doesn't mean i can't wish for it... UIQ 3 can be used with hardkeys entirely supposedly... java multitasking is not enough.. i want to see a more wifi devices from se with 3.2 cams and huge color screens
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sorry, what I meant was that if SE go with a hardscreen smartphone it will be UIQ3, not s60.
I just don't think SE will ever use s60. That doesn't mean it won't use implement a hardscreen UIQ...
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apolloa:
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Are you so dumb that you cannot understand what I am sayng? for the last time, I am saying that s60 UI is more advanced but at the same time as user-friendly and easy to use as SE UI (as implemented in K800). I am just responding to your argument that s60 is complicated and normal users have difficulty with it.
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Where did I say Nokia owns Symbian? I said Nokia created and owns s60 which uses the symbian as the underlying core o/s.
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Maybe you should get your facts right. Ericsson sold UIQ platform to Symbian after developing it. UIQ3 is the continuation of the platform by Symbian. Whether SE throws in money or not we dont know.
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MADReaLJL
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hey anti-SE
go away la.. this is SE forum
did u get anything by bashing SE?
nokia give u money? free nokia phones?
or SE did something bad to you before?
i dont think so
better shut your mouth n get your a$$ out of here
bored with u already
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i would love to see SE have a crack at their version of s60 or convert their UIQ to a non-touchscreen version.. it would be awesome
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They do have their own "version" of s60, it's called UIQ3!! SE will never use s60 imho, it gives too much profit back to Nokia, and not enough to SE, that's one reason they stick with their own interface.
And it's been rumoured for ages they will bring out a hard screen version, but who knows. I think with advent of phones like K800 (with JAVA multi-tasking), they may feel they don't need to.
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@max SE is never been so close to s60 like now...uiq is hard for development...
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@mib, you expect SE don't throw money in? SE are part owner of Symbian, so they are an owner of UIQ3, and from what I understood, but have no proof of, SE is one of the biggest investors in UIQ.
And given that UIQ3 is the basis of SE smartphones, I hardly think they would stand by and let Nokia money control the development of UIQ. I just don't see it.
@sasha-se, that's interesting, I'd like to know your sources before making a judgement. Yes development on UIQ is hard, but why go to the trouble of UIQ3, if they are going to use s60?
I guess there is a possibility they will use s60 for midrange phones, if uiq3 really can't be adapted to hardscreen format.
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And given that UIQ3 is the basis of SE smartphones, I hardly think they would stand by and let Nokia money control the development of UIQ. I just don't see it. |
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If Nokia has its way, it would like Symbian to stop wasting money and cancel UIQ3 (because it is a duplication of s60). I think SE pushed Symbian really hard to continue with UIQ3 by promising to deploy UIQ3 in its phones. SE has no choice but to do this because SE does not have the resources to go it alone on developing a new smartphone platform. And it does not want to license s60 or WM. Symbian of course would like to further sell UIQ3 to other manufacturers. But unfortunately the other major manufacturers are moving away from symbain to WM or Linux.
The big question now is will the licensing fee from SE alone enough to keep UIQ3 going considering from past history SE smartphone volume may numbered around 1-2million per year (compared to 40million for S60). If UIQ3 is money losing, then most likely Nokia (as the biggest shareholder of Symbian) would have the excuse to pressure Symbian to cancel UIQ3 development.
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