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mib1800
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max_wedge:
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Then why the hell does SE keep issuing new firmware updates on its site? When you keep issuing firmware means that something major is not right. I think SE should know that it is definitely NOT good publicity to keep issuing updates unless it is absolutely necessary to do so to fix major bugs.
I bought my previous Nk6600 1 months after it was release and there were no firmware update at Nokia centre until 6-8 months later. Then again the firmware update is to add on new functions. I bought my 6670 and there were no firmware updates at all period.
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Nitro Fan
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In answer to the original poster the answer is very simple and can be demonstrated with a few simple questions.
Why do people stand in the rain for 2 hours watching football in the secure knowledge they will have a 50% chance of losing?
Why did many people persist in buying leaky unreliable british motorcyles for years aftyer the Jap machines were available?
The answer Passion, enthusiasm, the desire to be different and very possibley a slight addiction!
I have owned the ... T68i T610, P800, P900, P910, P990, W950, P1, W960 But SE have now totally lost the plot. |
Arne Anka
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On 2005-10-23 05:20:00, mib1800 wrote:
I bought my previous Nk6600 1 months after it was release and there were no firmware update at Nokia centre until 6-8 months later. Then again the firmware update is to add on new functions. I bought my 6670 and there were no firmware updates at all period.
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Can as well be interpreted as Nokia does not care about bug fixes as much as SE does. |
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On 2005-10-20 06:14:00, brix25 wrote:
Since upgrading the firmware on my phone I've had more problems that I bargained for. Will take it back to the SE Service Centre so the can reflash it back to RAE0033.
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Let us know if they can do it. I have not heart about the possibility to downgrade the fw to an earlier version. Once you have upgraded you are stuck usually.
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mib1800
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@Arne Anka
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| Can as well be interpreted as Nokia does not care about bug fixes as much as SE does. |
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More likely is that Nokia spends more time bug-testing its firmware (a.k.a much more reliable ha ha  )
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Arne Anka
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On 2005-10-24 05:10:03, mib1800 wrote:
More likely is that Nokia spends more time bug-testing its firmware (a.k.a much more reliable ha ha )
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Sure and Windows is the most secure OS on this planet.  |
OluYom
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On 2005-10-23 10:54:45, Nitro Fan wrote:
In answer to the original poster the answer is very simple and can be demonstrated with a few simple questions.
Why do people stand in the rain for 2 hours watching football in the secure knowledge they will have a 50% chance of losing?
Why did many people persist in buying leaky unreliable british motorcyles for years aftyer the Jap machines were available?
The answer Passion, enthusiasm, the desire to be different and very possibley a slight addiction!
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Mate, all that is just as amusing to me as the issue under discussion!!! 
PS: I used to be known as AYA |
max_wedge
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On 2005-10-23 05:20:00, mib1800 wrote:
max_wedge:
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| I don't think it's true that bugs are everywhere in K750. Generally these handsets are very stable. |
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Then why the hell does SE keep issuing new firmware updates on its site? When you keep issuing firmware means that something major is not right. I think SE should know that it is definitely NOT good publicity to keep issuing updates unless it is absolutely necessary to do so to fix major bugs.
I bought my previous Nk6600 1 months after it was release and there were no firmware update at Nokia centre until 6-8 months later. Then again the firmware update is to add on new functions. I bought my 6670 and there were no firmware updates at all period.
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most of the firmware updates, of which there are 6 or so, were released to address minor bugs or operator dependent issues. One of those versions caused crashing which necessitated updating the firmware, but not in all phones with that firmware.
Even Nokia update firmware throughout the life of a model, changing it as market experience shows up problems. But once the handset is in the customer's hands they take no more responsibility. Atleast SE give the option for users to update to the latest firmware even after purchase.
I think that overall only a small proportion of K750 users actually experience any serious bugs, the rest of us would not think of the phone as "buggy". |
mib1800
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On 2005-10-24 10:30:22, Arne Anka wrote:
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On 2005-10-24 05:10:03, mib1800 wrote:
More likely is that Nokia spends more time bug-testing its firmware (a.k.a much more reliable ha ha )
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Sure and Windows is the most secure OS on this planet.
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We will never know due to the fact that whatever other OSes that are still left standing are so obscure (in the sense that very few people use them) that no hackers are interested in attacking.
No sure why u r using this line of silly argument.
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mib1800
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@max_wedge:
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| Atleast SE give the option for users to update to the latest firmware even after purchase. |
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I hope this does not give SE the license to release untested phone!!
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As usual, this is your guess only. btw: How small is small? 0.01% or 5% or, 10% or 30%?
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You can still bring it back to Nokia centre to fix. So Nokia has to maintain or subcontract out enough number of service centres to do this. And Nokia will have no excuse to close down or reduce the number of service centres due to the fact that DIY update is available. 
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max_wedge
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quote: "No sure why u r using this line of silly argument. "
haha couldn't agree more. The old smartphone/3G debate is nothing compared to the old mac versus windows debate. I've thrown in a few bones here and there but I won't be drawn anymore by their silly comments
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max_wedge
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On 2005-10-25 08:54:24, mib1800 wrote:
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| Atleast SE give the option for users to update to the latest firmware even after purchase. |
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I hope this does not give SE the license to release untested phone!!
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As usual, this is your guess only. btw: How small is small? 0.01% or 5% or, 10% or 30%?
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You can still bring it back to Nokia centre to fix. So Nokia has to maintain or subcontract out enough number of service centres to do this. And Nokia will have no excuse to close down or reduce the number of service centres due to the fact that DIY update is available.
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regarding all that, we are just falling back into an us and them argument. We can micro compare the issues of Nokia versus SE but ultimately I'm not that interested. All oem's have similar issues. You can believe K750 is badly buggy if you want, maybe it is.
My experience with K750 has never left me feeling "buggy" any more or less than other handsets I've had from other oem's.
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OluYom
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Well, this thread is not about "us" and "them", so I am glad one of you quit on that :-) I wont be drawn into that either. Had enough of it in the past.
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Arne Anka
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On 2005-10-25 08:31:48, mib1800 wrote:
We will never know due to the fact that whatever other OSes that are still left standing are so obscure (in the sense that very few people use them) that no hackers are interested in attacking.
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If you believe that, you may as well join the Church of the Flying Spagetti Monster. It seem to suit you very well. 
http://www.venganza.org/index.htm
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No sure why u r using this line of silly argument.
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Perhaps if you did some research on the subject instead of giving snide comments you would perhaps realise the argument is not silly. After all, there are no silly arguments, just silly people (like you).
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schaggo
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1. I'm happy to be able to upgrade my software. I was stuck on my d*mn sh*t f*cking unstable and buggy Nokia 6600 until now. That &%=*+??^'$=*&% piece of ^^¨$àààüö))*/5542 really annoyed me. Bluetooth unusable, compatible with almost nothing. Tried to use GPRS with my Palm. Answer from Palm: Sorry, Nokia used it's own Bluetooth authentication method in that device, we are not able to offer a compatible solution. The phone in general unstable, crashed all the way (without having any additional software installed!!!). Look of the OS is just ugly, even with skins, nothing more to say. And the %%&%*+"* software was dated something like February 2004, V4.02 or whatever, I don't remeber! That's service, that's after-buy-care. Oh god, never again...
I remember having encountered once a hang-up with my new K750. Was while using Bluetooth, transfering some files, at the same time trying to use the device for a GPRS connection and unluckily my PDA tried to connect to the device too. The phone hung for some moments and then continued to send the files. I was impressed. Really.
On the other side, I don't remember having successfully used the bluetooth function of my 6600... I don't even remember when I felt happy to see that phone, felt proud to be an owner, when it rang and I took it out of my pocket. At the moment I look at my K750 whenever I can...
2. I'm sorry, but it is SURELY NOT YOU who decides if a phone is shit and returns it to the shop. Ok, I buy a Mercedes, after some time I give it back to the shop, not satisfied, to much noise in the cabin. Give me some BMW, to give it back to the shop later for the same reason. I will try a Porsche, hopefully that will do... and so on. If a product you buy is REALLY shit, like buying a mobile phone and after taking it out of the box it falls apart in 1000 parts, ok, bring it back to the shop. But if it has some minor glitches, that you have to press a button twice somewhere instead of once or whatever, you are surely not right to return a product. I hate all you people causing economic damage because of your ignorance, narrowness. I recently bought a Fujutsu Siemens Pocket Loox 720. I had some time to play around with it and it is now clear to me, that another device, for example the top model from dell or hewlett packard (for almost the same price by the way) would have been the better decision. But I bought the Loox and it was my decision, I have to live with it and with it's glitches and it's possible inferiority to other devices.
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