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salonikat68
Joined: May 02, 2002
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@dumbdumb
but when u need something and u don't have it with u???
very often when i do somewhere i want to take a pick but i'm not having the MCA20 with me just because i thougth i whould't need it
i prefer the built in cameras!!!
and by the way this treat is to ask questions to some lucky guies who tested P800 -i'm gonna try it next week!!!!
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Ulukai
Joined: Jan 27, 2002
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I completely agree with you. You said it man! |
pinolo77
Joined: Jan 17, 2002
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We all know what this is all about... (especially DooWap)
I, as many others here, didn't think it was possible... But let's face it, it is that way. You all are wondering what I am talking about...
BRAND!!!
That is the key. Nokias sell just because they are Nokia. You already are able to use it, everyone has it and therefore you can have messages with pictures and all that stuff. All your friends have it, so why have another one?
I am talking about the majority of people who own their phones just to call mum or dad or the wife or husband to tell them that they will be five minutes late...
And all the deals with carriers... Why doesn't SonyEricsson make a deal with a provider to start pushing their phones?
Also an answer to the guy who was so critical about SE. You are right. Unless SE only sells two models they will never be able to compete with Nokia! More models means more choice and more sales. Well I don't want SE to f**k people like Nokia does, by changing the backlight color of a phone and sell it as if it was a new model...
The situation is critical, but that is Sony's fault. The make movies, cameras, and Vaio notebooks. Question: how many Vaio have bluetooth built in? One! And how many cameras have bluetooth? Maybe two.
Sony knew they where joining venture with ericsson but dind't do any effort to insert it in a network of home electronics or something.
Give them time? They had a year now to do it, and in consumer electronics a year is an eternity... Seriously, with which Sony device will you be able to operate your P-800 easily and smoothly? NONE.
That could have been the source of advantage, the key to success. But Sony failed to bring its brand name to SonyEricsson.
In my opinion this is the main point.
But I might be wrong in attributing it to the majority of the forum (and apologize if so).
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jb
Joined: May 21, 2002
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I haven't read all comments yet but I picked up on what faca said, on a number of things. Things are more complicated.
The models within a company affect the sales of each other. 8210 probably affected the sales of 3210 and 3310. I think I've said this before. This effect is "magnifiied" if the cheaper models share the design-language of the more exclusive models. If the "cheapest nokia" becomes common, the demand for the exclusive nokia increases. If an individual can not afford that exclusive model, he will go for the cheaper model.
While it is probably true that P800 will not be a high volume product it will not be a failure because it will always have the purpose of maintainging the image that SE can produce the best phone there is.
This is short but I'm probably drunk, and to faca and everybody else with hobby-market-analyst-ambitions: things are more c o m p l i c a t e d than you think I and you generelly don't have a clue.
While I can agree that the T300 is ugly, I'm sure faca can agree that both 3210 (not to mention 6250 or 6350) were all ugly, but that did not affect their success, did it? |
eidyey
Joined: Sep 01, 2002
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how much is p800? |
Mithrandir
Joined: Aug 20, 2002
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On 2002-09-04 03:05, jb wrote:
"This is short but I'm probably drunk, and to faca and everybody else with hobby-market-analyst-ambitions: things are more c o m p l i c a t e d than you think I and you generelly don't have a clue." |
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Well I guess you are drunk. For you will not be so hasty in your judgment if youre sober. People here in esato seem knowledgable (that is, if ever Market Analysys is not inline with their professions) to share their thoughts.
By the way, market analysis is not exclusive to market analyst. Much like the way our economy, politics, science (even in physics) can be thought of as the sole agenda of economist, politicians and scientist alike.
Now, if your drunken point of view would persuade the majority then, this world would have been deprived of the opportunity to hear the music of the Beatles and the genius of Einstein to name a few. Because both are not educated and certifiable experts in their field, when they delighted and amazed us with their works.
Mithrandir -A terrible wizard also known as Gandalf The Grey (or white if you know the whole story). Enemy of Sauron -the dark lord in his dark throne. Also, the keeper of the ring of Fire. |
jb
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Now, if your drunken point of view would persuade the majority then, this world would have been deprived of the opportunity to hear the music of the Beatles and the genius of
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Hold on a minute - I didn't deprive anyone of anything? I just slid in a portion of reality to the discussion. Pardon me.
And well. In addition, Einstein's theories, as long as they are MATHEMATICAL (or at least SCIENTIFIC), can be proved by proofs. Beatles made music which is an ART FORM. Faca, among other things, made statements about the success of a phone. I disputed him.
"I'm drunk. You're stupid. I can sober up" .. =) |
Eamonn
Joined: Nov 30, 2001
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Dear Sir or Madam,
Thank you for contacting Sony Ericsson Customer Care Center.
The P800 will be released world wide in end October/early November.
Unfortunately the price we do no know yet, but it will be a high end product.
Best regards,
Please contact us again if we can be of further assistance and also visit our website at www.sonyericsson.com for more information and support on our products.
Sony Ericsson Customer Care Center.
Email :Questions.ae@support.sonyericsson.com
Tel No.+971 4 3919880
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salonikat68
Joined: May 02, 2002
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the same answer to all the emails from people interesting about P800 
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Yoda
Joined: Sep 01, 2002
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Sharp and witty, the reply of Mithrandir, I suppose. Cause if those drunken thought even if short and harmless it would seem, dangerous it would be when this present become ...thy future's past.
Pardon me, but this I sense ...saying stupid to someone doesn't make that someone so. Rather its the other way around I guess.
On the other hand, P800 would have been perfect as my choice. Though almost complete it is ..to most, the lack of a light saber makes a jedi feeling sorry and sad. But even though, recommend it to our council, I should someday... having it first, I shall today. By HOOK OR BY FORCE!
May the force be with you! |
B@RTje
Joined: Jan 27, 2002
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Where did you test the p800 in holland?
what city is SE ?? i can't find it..
than i'll go and test it to 
or is that not possible or something? |
Hemmik
Joined: Sep 03, 2002
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I don't think you can just go and test it at SE, it's in Badhoevedorp. I went there with my work, but I don't think it's for the public.. |
Mithrandir
Joined: Aug 20, 2002
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Well jb I think you have a point. Maybe im stupid. And believe me, no one in this forum would argue bout that. So Im gonna end that stupidity right now.... I promise.
But first, pardon my less eloquent rendition of your remark.
"You're drunk. I'm stupid. You can sober up. I can quit arguing with a drunk" 
Mithrandir -A terrible wizard also known as Gandalf The Grey (or white if you know the whole story). Enemy of Sauron -the dark lord in his dark throne. Also, the keeper of the ring of Fire. |
cam1701
Joined: Apr 29, 2002
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Can i just say pinolo77 i think you are spot on. I here stories that SE might close down next year if sales do not get better. Well i think they only have themselves to blame. SE seem to be making a few specialist phone models not the wide range tha Nokia make. Also becuase there phones are so cutting edge it takes them much longer to get them to the market.
I can see no input from Sony in the P800 at all. I own two sony laptops and a sony walkman and they all work together perfectly. Do not get me wrong i love SE but they need to get there act together or they will disappear for good.
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pinolo77
Joined: Jan 17, 2002
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From: Lugaggia, Switzerland
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Dear jb. I know things are more complicated and I also happen to know the concept of flag product (don't know how to translate it exactly). Don't get me wrong. I just wanted to point out what seems to be the main problem SE is facing. And a part from Brand I also talked about consumer electronics network. Of course we could do a list of all things that are or might be wrong in SE. But it was not what I wanted to do.
Just wanted to be sure you got the point... |
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