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MtLeakerDev
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On 2013-03-22 21:55:25, JoJotaro wrote:
Vita OS would need a LOT of work to compete with Android/iOS/WP8 etc. Vita OS has a weak app ecosystem, web browsing, no messaging/phone system, system resource management etc. And even if you can play Vita games on a phone with Vita OS how will you play them, with touch screen controls? A PS Vita phone like the PS phone? Wouldn't a phone like that be extremely thick and expensive? What storage would it need? PS Vita games are relatively huge. Why not just by a PS Vita for much less? Plus the PS Vita is a dedicated console, thus for a phone to be able to run the same level of graphically intensive games as the PS Vita it would require a processor stronger than that in the PS Vita as the OS of a phone is much like the OS on a PC now and needs to handle other background tasks that need to be active at all times for the OS to work.
Vita OS makes no sense unless Sony can make the improvements it needs to be a smartphone OS and if doing that costs less than licensing some other OS.
[ This Message was edited by: JoJotaro on 2013-03-22 21:18 ]
Well you can check android 1.0 and tell if you wanted to see such a OS again
But with improvements we are now lookin at the best mobile OS
So what I meant is begin now with Vita 1.0 so they know what's bad and what's good
And soon they can be more and more popular
And their market should be improved so fast especially games
And apps of course
And I didn't mean to attack Samsung's Amoleds , I mean OLED displays work very awesome on Vita OS as it's a colourful OS
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JoJotaro
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And what games would this Vita OS have? It certainly wouldn't have Vita games, at least not with this years or next years hardware it can't. Android was written to be a smartphone OS, Vita OS was not. Vita OS was written with gaming in mind. There's a big difference. Just because the Vita OS runs on a mobile platform with a touchscreen doesn't mean it just needs to learn from Android and there you go you have an OS for smartphones. It would need to be re-written to the core to become an OS for smartphones. Something like that is a huge investment and a huge risk and Sony is in no position to take such a risk right now. They've already invested in PSM for Android and ditched the PS One games they had.
You can keep dreaming but Vita OS on smartphones has little to no reason or way of existing in the way you think it should...
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MtLeakerDev
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Yea it needs re-imagine to work on smartphones but when I say Vita I don't mean the one on PS VITA I mean Sony mobile Platform and it shouldn't play Vita games at all
Developers Love Sony that means they will support Sony new OS and will release games on their OS first or at least with android and ios and maybe make exclusive games for them
Not necessary to be Vita games maybe something else like a tweaked battlefield version to work exclusivly on Xperia With.vita OS if you know what I mean
You don't know if it's bad idea or not unless you try
And that's what I'm asking Sony to do
Is try "Re-Imagined" Vita on Mid range Xperias
If it failed then it was just a Beta Xperia phone it won't affect that much
If it succeed then they try to listen to feedbacks and fix the bugs and improve it
Anyway, Sony said earlier that they will port the Vita OS to Xperia I can give link if you want
So my question was
@Ramu
Do you know when is Sony going to use Vita OS for Xperia
Edit : Link ------> http://mobile.theverge.com/20[....]ny-vita-os-smartphones-tablets
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-XYZ
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Putting Vita OS on a smartphone and allowing it to play Vita games will basically kill the Vita. It would be stupid for Sony to do that. |
AranhaHunter
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On 2013-03-22 20:21:24, MtLeakerDev wrote:
On 2013-03-22 19:30:48, JoJotaro wrote:
Gaming needs a boost on Android. iOS has been getting too many exclusives and games launched first on it.
Yup but it's not android that will get exclusive games
It's Xperia
That make me wonder if Vita OS for Xperia anytime soon
No rumors about that ramu?
When asked about OS on mobile phones Kaz Hirai (Sony's CEO) mentioned Android, Windows 8, and one that's near and dear to him, the Playstation OS
During the PS4 reveal, Andrew Houser (SCEWWS CEO) mentioned that the Vita OS is very powerful and we'll be seeing it in our living rooms this Fall and hear more about it later this year. Presumably he was talking about TVs, Roku like devices, and tablets, but a smartphone could be something down the line when the OS is much more mature.
On 2013-03-22 21:55:25, JoJotaro wrote:
Vita OS would need a LOT of work to compete with Android/iOS/WP8 etc. Vita OS has a weak app ecosystem, web browsing, no messaging/phone system, system resource management etc. And even if you can play Vita games on a phone with Vita OS how will you play them, with touch screen controls? A PS Vita phone like the PS phone? Wouldn't a phone like that be extremely thick and expensive? What storage would it need? PS Vita games are relatively huge. Why not just by a PS Vita for much less? Plus the PS Vita is a dedicated console, thus for a phone to be able to run the same level of graphically intensive games as the PS Vita it would require a processor stronger than that in the PS Vita as the OS of a phone is much like the OS on a PC now and needs to handle other background tasks that need to be active at all times for the OS to work.
Vita OS makes no sense unless Sony can make the improvements it needs to be a smartphone OS and if doing that costs less than licensing some other OS.
[ This Message was edited by: JoJotaro on 2013-03-22 21:18 ]
Vita OS would indeed need a LOT of work. I always felt they could start implementing them in FW upgrades for current vita owners, but they are way too slow on that. Still, they could start giving us more features, better browser
The SEN store would also need to integrate an MP3/Music Video store (Sony has bandit.fm in Australia and had playarena with SE - Sony needs to get that fully integrated under one account on SEN), ebook store (Sony has one, uses a different account, needs to get that fully integrated under one account on SEN), and an app store (Sony would need to launch that and get apps upon apps on there. W8 is still struggling on that so Sony would need to get on the ball as soon as possible)
The phone wouldn't necessarily be thick, but either be slide out or use an attachable, removable pad. I would personally prefer the latter. A phone SKU would need to have higher specs than current vitas for the reasons you mentioned, it would also need to be upgraded yearly as is the case in this market. It wouldn't be just a dedicated handheld anymore.
Sony may find it worth their time to have their own ecosystem and OS instead of being dependent on android and other OSes. That's not to say they will stop releasing those phones, they just don't want to be overly dependent on them. |
MtLeakerDev
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On 2013-03-23 00:52:37, -XYZ wrote:
Putting Vita OS on a smartphone and allowing it to play Vita games will basically kill the Vita. It would be stupid for Sony to do that.
Yea that's exactly my point
Being called Vita OS doesn't mean it's necessary to play vita games
Vita Market might be as for example "V-market"
And it should have the games we know like
Temple Run
Subway Surfers
Real Racing ........etc
And more exclusive games as it's a Sony OS
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-XYZ
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On 2013-03-23 01:07:33, MtLeakerDev wrote:
On 2013-03-23 00:52:37, -XYZ wrote:
Putting Vita OS on a smartphone and allowing it to play Vita games will basically kill the Vita. It would be stupid for Sony to do that.
Yea that's exactly my point
Being called Vita OS doesn't mean it's necessary to play vita games
Vita Market might be as for example "V-market"
And it should have the games we know like
Temple Run
Subway Surfers
Real Racing ........etc
And more exclusive games as it's a Sony OS
But why sink hundreds of millions of $$$ in R&D into an OS which is going to most likely, get completely obliterated by Android and Samsung. Sony aren't as popular or well-known in the smartphone space as Samsung, they haven't the brand recognition to chuck a brand new OS onto their smartphone and hope it works. They'll have to start their entire ecosystem from square one, and compete against OS's which have been around since 2007/8. It won't work out well at all.
It is far cheaper and far easier to invest in Android. Google pump in MUCH more money into its development than Sony ever could with Vita OS. Build from there. Sony already contributes to AOSP, so just continue with that. The fact that they're so involved with the open source community, gives them nerd cred, which will be completely displaced should they use Vita OS, which would most likely be an iOS styled "walled garden". |
MtLeakerDev
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Anyway , it's Sony decision not our xD we will have to wait 
Shouldn't Sony complete the HQ Moving to Japan in 2014
Are we going to see a Made in Japan Xperia anytime soon xD
That would help them alot
And about H2 phone ..... What Design line-up do you think will it be ?
ARC?
NXT?
UNIBODY?
New Design Series?
I personally think of An Arc NXT Design it would be magical xD
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vivftp
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On 2013-03-23 00:17:39, JoJotaro wrote:
And what games would this Vita OS have? It certainly wouldn't have Vita games, at least not with this years or next years hardware it can't. Android was written to be a smartphone OS, Vita OS was not. Vita OS was written with gaming in mind. There's a big difference. Just because the Vita OS runs on a mobile platform with a touchscreen doesn't mean it just needs to learn from Android and there you go you have an OS for smartphones. It would need to be re-written to the core to become an OS for smartphones. Something like that is a huge investment and a huge risk and Sony is in no position to take such a risk right now. They've already invested in PSM for Android and ditched the PS One games they had.
You can keep dreaming but Vita OS on smartphones has little to no reason or way of existing in the way you think it should...
[ This Message was edited by: JoJotaro on 2013-03-22 23:20 ]
It most certainly could run Vita games. The Vita is very powerful for what it can do, mostly because of its robust GPU. Plus the fact that it's got a screen resolution that's overall 1/4 that of high end smartphones today means it can push a lot of pixels. Also remember that the Vita is now hardware that's over a year old and upcoming smartphone hardware should be powerful enough to do it. Or Sony could do their own custom setup like the Vita for a Vita phone, but make it more efficient. Either way, the technology is there for a phone to match the Vita, it's just that Android and I suppose to a lesser degree iOS developers have to cater to a loest common denominator factor, so they can't always push the hardware to its limits.
I feel the major problem though would be battery. As it stands the Vita will give you 3-4 hours of solid gaming, which is pretty much what you'll get out of most smartphones anyways, but the Vita games are more advanced. Toss in cellular capabilities and other smartphone features and it'll drain that battery in no time. So either they work out a way to fit a huge fracking battery in there, or they manage to get a screen + chipset that's extremely power efficient. Or they rely on a relatively normal looking phone with a gamepad attachment that enhances the battery. Many ways to go in a situation like this.
As for Vita OS not being made for phone use, you're incorrect. As was pointed out above, Kaz himself stated they built Vita OS with the ability to expand out to cell phone and tablet use. Hell, they already have a 3G Vita, so it's not like cellular technology is going to be foriegn to the Vita OS. It's just a matter of designing it for phone use rather than strictly gaming use.
-XYZ
Putting Vita OS on a smartphone and allowing it to play Vita games will basically kill the Vita. It would be stupid for Sony to do that.
Sony doesn't make the money off the Vita, they make the money off the accessories and games. If they can get those games onto other devices in a larger market, then all the better for them. Anyways, it wouldn't necessarily kill the Vita itself. Assuming they build a Vita phone to compete on the high end market, it could cost several hundred dollars vs. the 200 - 250 or so you can find a Vita for in stores. Not to mention using a Vita won't kill your phones battery life and it'll likely have better physical controls than a phone ever could.
But why sink hundreds of millions of $$$ in R&D into an OS which is going to most likely, get completely obliterated by Android and Samsung. Sony aren't as popular or well-known in the smartphone space as Samsung, they haven't the brand recognition to chuck a brand new OS onto their smartphone and hope it works. They'll have to start their entire ecosystem from square one, and compete against OS's which have been around since 2007/8. It won't work out well at all.
It is far cheaper and far easier to invest in Android. Google pump in MUCH more money into its development than Sony ever could with Vita OS. Build from there. Sony already contributes to AOSP, so just continue with that. The fact that they're so involved with the open source community, gives them nerd cred, which will be completely displaced should they use Vita OS, which would most likely be an iOS styled "walled
The money is already spent on building the OS. Vita OS is just Playstation OS in a different wrapper and Sony's been developing it for many, many years. Sony is already very experienced in the mobile field, so modifying Vita OS for a phone experience isn't going to be the hardest thing in the world. No one's saying it won't be an uphill battle against juggernauts like iOS and Android, but it's not like Sony is a nobody who's starting out from scratch. They have their Playstation brand which has tens of millions of users. They have millions upon millions of people out there who own PSP and Vita games. Now tell those people they can now play all those games they love on their phone. See what I mean? They already have a market, they just need to tap it. iOS and Android do have a robust gaming ecosystem, but Playstations gaming ecosystem is on another level in terms of quality and the experience you get as you have large gaming developers making these games as opposed to indie developers. In that same breath though, Sony is all about supporting the indie developer, which is why the recent partnership with Unity is important. With this partnership, iOS and Android developers can port their games over to PS4/PS3/Vita/PSM/PS Cloud without having to do extensive recoding. This should be a massive boost to the overall gaming ecosystem.
Sony COULD stay in Googles shadow and push their hardware and their services, but that's not really where the money is to be made. Having your own ecosystem where you can get a slice of the pie for every app sold is where the real money is to be made. I would hope this is what Sony wants and is aiming for. Historically Sony has been pretty weak on the software side, but then again we're in a new era of Sony under Kaz so anything really is possible. |
MtLeakerDev
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Here is some advantages and disadvantages of VITA OS
+ Direct Updates
+ Fully Customized by Sony
+ Market would have the best Games you would ever see on OS
+ You will connect Sony devices easily with SONY OS
+ Can be a selling point for Sony
+ New Features will be Known soon
- Would have alot of haters from Sony-Android lovers (Evidence (^))
- Might have some problems and bugs in its first launch
Any adds? |
pmugghc
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Jeez, here we go again, the Vita OS brigade! How successful is the Vita today? How successful was Xperia Play? You're delusional. To make Vita a major mobile device OS would be extremely difficult. It would be much much harder than it is for WP and BB10 today. |
vivftp
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I have a theory going back to the Vitas launch. Back then, I recall several Sony employees stating just how important the Vita is for the company. They didn't really elaborate on why, but they just noted it was very important. I suppose it could have just been normal hype for a new device, but I always thought there was more to it.
Sony needs its own ecosystem to push to remain competitive. Apple has iOS, Google has Android, hell even Microsoft has Windows on their phones. In comparison, Sony has... PSM. Yeah... while all of its major competitors and partners have a nice, wide open field to push their own content, Sony has nothing really. Gaming and mobile are 2 Sonys 3 core pillars, so it makes perfect sense for them to come together in this way. They already have the OS, they know how to make the hardware, and they even have the content and are working to grow it even larger. It's just a matter of bringing them all together.
Anyways, back to my theory, I think Sony weren't really counting on the Vita as a stand alone device, but more of a testbed for bigger things to come. With the Vita they can work on developing their own OS, they can get tons of customer feedback, and they can lay the groundwork for their own app ecosystem. It it do its thing, all the while building towards the future where they can then bring their own mobile OS to market on their own devices and push their own ecosystem.
Just wishful thinking, probably... we'll see
pmugghc
Jeez, here we go again, the Vita OS brigade! How successful is the Vita today? How successful was Xperia Play? You're delusional. To make Vita a major mobile device OS would be extremely difficult. It would be much much harder than it is for WP and BB10 today.
Sony has the Playstation heritage to use as a base to build up from. They're not starting from scratch if they decide to push their own mobile phone ecosystem. It's just that if they decide to do a Vita phone, they have to make it a VERY desirable piece of hardware, while at the same time working to build up the ecosystem.
Anyways, we've gotta chit chat about something until new rumors come
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nightwing369
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Plus I think we should now get back onto talking about Upcoming Sony Xperia phone Rumours (for example the Sony Dogo, Sony Ray 3, Sony C670X etc...)
Check this for the latest on the upcoming Sony phones for 2013: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AreyfktYnDHtdHN0bVFPdUFJd0ZiNzZQcjMwV1I5M0E#gid=0 |
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@MtLeakerDev: You forgot the biggest negative: no Android app market. |
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