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wrecked_porsche
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@ Gil, is graffiti 2 sucky ?
@yap, how is graffiti ? Ok or not ? Have u tried graffiti 2 ? | |
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yapliren
Joined: Apr 27, 2002
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duhh .. just 26 character from a to z
not hard to remember la
if you still cannot .. use onscreen keyboard laa |
alex
Joined: Jun 11, 2002
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@ Gil and Yap,
Just because there are plenty of software for the palm os.. that's wht you guys say is good? Palm OS really stink to have ya supporter! How come I never have any problem in sync with my PPC and yet still afford to pay for most of the great games and other software... multimedia works great with PPC as well as the PIE. Crash always!? Nah.. with Windows Mobile 2003, I've never encounter it. WiFi is as good as it gets. Dun say like Palm's the best... they are just too late for everything. No comments but these kind of thingy really depends on peoples' preferences.
Anyway, Palm OS are good enuf for you guys... like u mentioned... simple enuf..  |
yapliren
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cause we can't afford ipaq5555
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gilthoniel
Joined: Jul 12, 2002
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@alex,
yeah we are only simple minded folk using simple technology...
i didn't say that palm is the best, i'm just drawing the pros of palm against PPC...
late? it's better late than never man...
having a wider range of software IS better... so u get to choose your software la
anyhow, i'm not going to turn this into another palm vs ppc kinda thing... so enough la k?
why dun u tell sanj what's good about ppc then?
keep his options open...
just my opinion... a simple opinion from a simple minded person... duh
BTW i pmed you... reply la wei
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wrecked_porsche
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Yah Alex, tell me what is good about the PPC la and why u selling the H5450 away ? 
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veon18
Joined: Jun 30, 2002
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fulat, still in KL, took a defer, delayed my study overseas, wanna rest and have fun kao kao 1st
hehe
Anyway about the PPC vs Palm thing, it's definitely up to individual preferences
As for me , i had only used the Palm m515 and the Palm m130 for Palm OS, never really like it
Now using an ipaq, love it and found it much easier to sync and more powerful, definitely closer to laptop's capabilities
Havent tried the T2 or T3 yet, maybe those might change my opinion toward Palm OS
My close fren just bought the XDA ii, damn good, getting his wifi sd card tmr, cant wait to try it! Excellent product
It's definitely my choice over the P900 if i have the CCcccAAssssHH $$
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gilthoniel
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let the experts speak and fight it out...
Why PalmOS better than PPC
http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/1874.html
Discussion about PPC vs Palm OS
http://www.kvpug.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4761&highlight=palmos+ppc
A PPC user talking about his experiences with a PalmOS machine (this article is good coz he can actually tell you what the PalmOS can do what the PPC can't)
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18888&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90
"I picked up a Tungsten T3 a few days ago to evaluate. At this point, it's likely I'll be selling my HP2210. I figured I'd post all this here because a lot of people have referred to the T3 in this thread (and much of what I wrote pertains to the topic). It's a small novel, so I used section headings to make it easier to read:
T3 SLIDER
Initially, I thought the slider mechanism was stupid (see my previous posts in the T3 thread), but now I really like it. The T3 is very compact and fits in my pocket (no other 480x320 device does this) and you can set the device to power on and off when the slider opens and closes. It's also easy to quickly pull the T3 out and look something up without opening the slider. It's a surprisingly effective design.
480x320
When I first got the T3, the interface looked a little funny to me... it's obvious when using a lot of the apps that they're derived from a low-res monochrome device. While Palm makes excellent use of a 160x160 screen, they generally don't fit twice as much data on a HVGA screen as PPC does with QVGA (with a few exceptions like spreadsheets and images). And PPC apps tend to be more colorful. However, PalmOS' interface is cleaner, images and text are incredibly sharp, and the T3's seamless lanscape-portrait switching is nothing less than awesome.
PERFORMANCE
Doing most things takes a lot less time on the T3 than on the 2210. Though I noticed that when recalculating large spreadsheets on Palm, you can actually see the cells all refresh (presumably because Spreadsheet-To-Go runs in emulated mode).
TASK-SWITCHING
Re-adjusting to PalmOS' taskswitching wasn't too difficult. If I look up a contact, switch to another app, and then go back to contacts, I have to look it up again... this happened to me once yesterday and I said to myself "Oh yeah, Palm can't do that." But I seldom need to do this (and I could've easily avoided doing it yesterday by simply dialing the phone number before switching apps). More importantly, PalmOS is so responsive, it isn't really bothersome if I do. Having written all that, I know some people do specific tasks that need multitasking on a handheld. Those folks will have to stick with PPC or Linux for now.
Also, I've noticed no skipping with MP3-playback in the background.
FILE SYSTEM
It's stupid that I can't categorize apps on the Palm when they're installed on the SD card. On the other hand, I'm going to install everything into RAM anyway (with 64 MB, I'll only need to use the SD card for data).
Also, I can copy native JPG and MP3 files to the SD card, which is nice. Movies played through Kinoma must be converted, however.
RETRIEVING DATA
The upshot of a task-switching, record-based OS is that I can search through almost every program for information instantly. If I want to look up a note or password somewhere, I don't need to worry about whether I put it in FlexWallet, Word, Excel, or Note (all of which require 4 different searches on PPC). With Palm, the search looks through all the PIM and memo records, spreadsheets, docs, etc... It searches the contents of the spreadsheets and docs too... not just the filenames!
To me, this is *THE* killer app for Palm. You don't have to worry about where you store information on the device... just enter a couple keywords into the record/spreadsheet/whatever and you can easily find it later. I almost didn't switch to PPC because it can't do this.
ENTERING DATA
This is a toss-up, but I actually think I prefer it on the T3. When I switched to PPC, I was mucho impressed with being able to use Letter Recognizer, the on-screen keyboard (and when I got the 2210, Transcriber... however, Transcriber was somewhat cumbersome so I stopped using it).
However, with the T3, input on the Palm has improved. Now I can see my strokes, switch to onscreen keyboard, and switch to full-screen data input. Toggling full-screen input is faster on the Palm (click icon in menu bar) and using it is less problematic. Transcriber is neato, but it's often sluggish and is a pain when you need to click on things on the screen (while PalmOS' on-screen input is painless). It's also easier to select text on the Palm in some situations.
BUTTON PRESSES/SPEED OF TASKS
Adding appointments, contacts, notes, etc... it's all faster with the T3. The GUI takes fewer button presses to do the same things as HP2210.
3RD PARTY SOFTWARE
This used to be one of Palm's biggest strength, but PPC now has a lot of stuff that Palm doesn't. I dunno if either platform really has an advantage here (I think Palm has the edge with freeware, but PPC has the edge with commercial apps.. at least with the robust ones).
In my case, I'm happy to be using a couple apps on the Palm that I never did find for PPC, but I also will have to give up a couple apps that I started using with PPC that don't exist on the Palm.
BATTERY LIFE
This is the T3's biggest weakness (though it doesn't seem to be as bad as some people say). I haven't done a comprehensive test yet, but it's less than my 2210 (and possibly a bit less than my 1910 was, but it seems pretty close to it, depending on usage). I'll definitely be getting a USB-charge cable and probably one of those AA-battery charging packs (not as convenient as a spare battery, but works OK). The good news is these things only cost $5.
STABILITY
I reset the PPC every night to clear out the system memory. However, even with that, I have to soft-reset PPC every 1-2 days (especially with the HP2210) due to a crash. It's really great when I'm talking to someone and I need to look up or enter a phone number:
Me: Embarrassed. "Excuse me, could you wait a moment... my PDA crashed and is rebooting."
Them: Laughing. "What, do you run Windows on that thing?"
Me: Sigh. "Actually, it does."
Additionally, it's irritating to have to wait 23 seconds for it to reboot. My T3 reboots very quickly... and I only know this because I reset it out of curiosity... after 3 days of heavy use, I've had to reset it ZERO times. Keep in mind, I've been installing lots of software too.
VIDEO PLAYBACK
The Kinoma converter is very easy to use, however, quality sucks... DIVX files look much sharper on the 2210. Kinoma appears to use very high compression, so things can get very blocky and ugly during complicated and detailed video sequences.
VOICE MEMOS
Quality is OK, but not great. My HP2210's memos sound better (though I haven't actually done a side-by-side comparison).
AUDIO PLAYBACK
Sounds excellent... just a little better than the HP2210's (though it was good too). No skips or other problems. The built-in player is easy to use, though doesn't have many features.
ALARMS
They work on the T3. It's astonishing that PPC/Windows Mobile still has alarm problems.
SYNCHRONIZATION
Hotsync is fast and painless. Activesync makes me cry.
INSTALLING APPS
It's so easy on the T3. Click on PRC/PDB files. Hotsync. Done. Installing apps with PPC is a pain in the ass. If you install to a card, it goes to the root directory (and gives it an incredibly long and non-descriptive directory name). All those directories then show up in every list in every app that displays directories using PPC's standard method. You cant specify what directory to install to unless you used CABINST. And in order to use that, you have to locate the CAB file, which often involved a backwards process of running the Windows installer and searching for the appropriate CAB for both your program and processor in the C:program filesmicrosoft activesync subdirectories. Sometimes this wasn't even possible.
Oh yeah, and then if you have a problem, you have to go through some sort of uninstall process (often for both your PC and the PPC). Absurd.
NOTES/MEMOS
I can store all my notes in the memo program, notes program, Hi-Note, or whatever. With PPC, the notes program is too slow to be usable with more than 100 or so records. I have to use FlexWallet or ListPro, which adds to the time it takes to both enter and retrieve data (see above).
PROFFESIONAL LOOK
Well, I don't really care about this, but the T3 looks cool and professional. The telescoping stylus has a nice weight to it and is quite slick.
FLIP COVER
Why the Hell don't any PPCs come with these things? The flip cover on the T3 works very well.
CONCLUSION
I haven't decided for certain yet, but I'm leaning towards going back to PalmOS with the T3. I initially switched to PPC because I was a little bored with Palm and PPC had a big color screen and fast CPU in a small package. The T3 is a little heavier than the HP2210, but it's still small enough to be pocketable. It's not perfect, but it's probably the best handheld computer I've used yet."
@sanj,
basically the most significant thing that the PPC can do that the Palm can't is multitasking... but do u really need it? coz in palmos, u can switch from one app to another app easily and you won't lose processing power due to the increase in apps running in the background... You can easily highlight, copy, switch apps and paste easily. Yup u still can listen to MP3s and do your word documents so no worries there.
@veon
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wrecked_porsche
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@ Gil, can i edit a word document, surf the net and listen to music ? is that too much for the t3 to handle ? if u say that i can listen to music and open a document, isn't that multitasking ? 
Thanks for the links man  REally appreciate your help:)
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waja800
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WOW! Very detailed comparison.
Also known as sonyclie77 in Esato forums.  |
wrecked_porsche
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Does ACTIVE sync means when i pair the T3 and my laptop via  and they get closeenuf, they will auto sync ?  |
alex
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@ Sanj,
Macha, me selling my H5450 because I got two set. One was provided by my company and another one which is just the 3 months old, I got it free from the credit card contest. My main reason(s) that I forgone Palm OS is bcoz it ain't interesting (too simple) in everyway, display and functions. I'm a programmer, I still prefer Microsoft's stuffs. When I got my 1st PPC ie H1890 (with BT) which works perfectly with T68i without any need of 3rd party.. me really impressed with the tech built-in. I used to be a Palm supporter too but not anymore because PPC gives me what I want. Multi-tasking is always a problem with most of the devices in the market that support this function. It usually caused the hang or restart. For example, P800. But as firmware upgrades, P800 stands up perfectly. PPC too with the Window Mobile 2003 except they still never incorporate the Hotmail in their Email functions.
Sanj, all these devices and models availablein their market serve all the needs in every segregated user needs. When you planned to buy somehing, use your preference and budget to guide you. For your case, you need Microsoft Office applications for editing, browsing, and listening to music.. right? Well PPC, Palm OS and P900 got all these but honestly, I still prefer PPC even though I'm getting my P900 soon. Why? PPC's music can store WMA which is half a size smaller than MP3 and yet it gives good quality sound that enables me to store more songs. Office applications editing works directly with PC / Notebooks by directly copy / share / beaming. Palm OS need to normalize from PRC to DOC or XLS. Browsing?? All these devices are still way behind stability. Why? Bcoz they are tiny in storage and could never capable in storing huge web pages with tonnes of security or graphics. You should know when to use these devices for surfing compared with a PC or notebook. There is always a limit because of the "HANDHELD" concept. For basic surfing and messenging, I opt for PPC as MSN Messenger and IE is in.
So, guess that's all I wanna say... pls dun put a whole f**kin story in the forum Gil!!!! It is a pain in the a** to read on wap!!
@ Gil,
What to reply?! I often inform you of the discounts and good price plus good quality stuff I could get but you still prefer your way.... "MY WAY..."  |
wrecked_porsche
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On 2003-11-30 16:52:41, alex wrote:
@ Gil,
What to reply?! I often inform you of the discounts and good price plus good quality stuff I could get but you still prefer your way.... "MY WAY..."
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What are those ''good quality'' stuff ? 
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alex
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@ Sanj,
"Good quality stuff" mainly refering to those handphones. Our fren lately suck up with the Z600 untill he got a new replacament... why? because he did it HIS WAY... |
wrecked_porsche
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Oh ya, Alex, how much can U get the Z600 for ah ? | |
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