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bearcub24
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Thats the thing BobaFett, according to the manual it is meant to act as a toggle between silent/general modes but alas doesn't, the star key now acts as a toggle between bluetooth on/off modes. | |
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BobaFett
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u have to push the key longer, is the way u are doing it?
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Miss UK
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On 2007-12-23 22:24:50, BobaFett wrote:
yeah, thats a anice thm, i also gave for it a try, as i recall, it came out first with e90
does that have a mocha housing to then? 
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BobaFett
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yeah, the brown e90. not sure whats the "main" thm for the red e90
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bearcub24
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Yeah even after a long key press it still fails to respond, hopefully this issue will be fixed in future firmware updates as it was with the 6300. |
BobaFett
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so nokia disabled it... weird... when u use the cam, are the 1 2 3 4 keys working to enable nihgtmode etc?
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Miss UK
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On 2007-12-24 03:07:25, BobaFett wrote:
yeah, the brown e90. not sure whats the "main" thm for the red e90
Quite possibley a red theme no doubt 
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dembala
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I've had a few E series phones over the past years. Currently I'm using an E51 which I love! I've had E50 and E61 as well. I haven't come accross to such a well designed and built phone by Nokia like the E51. Finally they made it!
However, I'm interested in your experience regarding E-mail. There is a bug or feature (I couldn't decide yet) which has been there in all S60 based phones and is still there in the newest ones. The problem I'm gonna describe here is not present in UIQ based phones like the SE P1 for example, which I also have .
I'm using IMAP based E-mail because that fits to my daily workflow. I'm handling my e-mail box from multiple computers (home, work, whatever) so IMAP is the solution for me, I don't want to download via POP3 my mails to all the PCs. My clients are set to check for new e-mail every 5 minutes or so. My phone does this periodic checking only in 2 hour intervals over Edge or 3G.
And here comes my problem. It is about how S60 firmware considers an email to be a new one, or an existing one. You see, let's suppose you get a new e-mail to your mailbox. You are out of office, not at home, somewhere on the way. Your phone checks e-mails periodically and informs you about this new e-mail with sound, with vibration and via the active standby plugin. Cool.
What happens if you are in the office. You sit in front of your PC and your mail client is running. It checks for new mails in your IMAP mailbox every 5 minutes. Voila, you have a new mail. You client tells you this. OK. Your phone is gonna check new mails only an hour from now, so it's quiet.
You read your new email on the PC and mark the recently received mail as "read". OK, cool, no new e-mails.
You go out, you are on the way again. Suddenly your phone is making the sound and vibrates. Uuups, a new e-mail has been received. Hm. Who is it, you check it, and you see that actually, your mailbox has been updated with the e-mail that you had already read in the office. On the active standby screen you see that the mail is actually "read", so it is not a new e-mail. S60 just updated the mailbox and saw that there is a new item in the mailbox, without checking its properties if it's a read or unread one.
S60 shouldn't notify you about new items in your mailbox, because you don't care about the phone not knowing the exact status of your mailbox at the given time. You just want to have notification when a NEW mail is received that you hadn't seen so far.
This is what IMAP is all about, isn't it? In case of POP3, the above scenario would be understandable, because in POP3 the client is not aware of the status of the mail. But you select IMAP that should be supported by the client, and according to specs, it is!
I haven't seen any nokia phone that would handle this situation correctly. Only SE phones handle IMAP as it should be handled, as I have seen so far.
I hope Nokia will some day or later do something about this.
Please comment, am I missing the trick that you already know for this?
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Dogmann
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@dembala
I don't know about IMAP as have never used it but using auto retrieval i have been able to have it check for new mail much quicker than every two hours and don't see why IMAP would be any different.
Currently i am using the Beta of Seven always on push E-Mail that is currently free and has the simplest set up i have ever come across just enter your user name and password for each account and the app does the rest. You can find it here
http://community.seven.com/forum/main.php
Just register and it sends a set up link to your devcie and has loads of options of not only the time to run between for both Workdays and Weekends but you can easily define which connections it can use or not. It just works really well i don't know how long the free Beta will continue for but even if you have to pay for what it offers i don't consider it expensive.
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dembala
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Hey Marc,
Thanks for the tip, I'm gonna check this.
Concerning the 2 hours: It's not about the regularity... I can set it to 5 minutes as well... The problem is about the fact that a "read" email is also reported as new by the phone when it checks the mailbox!
Already read email shouldn't be reported as new ones when cheking the mailbox, because they are "read", so not new to me. New to the phone, but who cares about the phone This is the essential thing in IMAP against POP3. Huge difference.
SE P1 does this correctly. It updates the mailbox, and if there are only "read" mails, it keeps quiet, no notification. |
BobaFett
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i prefer the sms delivery report when i get a new email. never used that mentioned fature, imo nice, but useless...
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Dogmann
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@dembala
I actually can't agree with you viewpoint on this as quite obviously once it has been opened it has been read and as the phone checks the Mail Server it will show as being read. I really don't see how it could possibly be shown as new E-mail or unread as that just can't be possible can it?
With the Seven all ways on E-Mail even it has been read it is still pushed to the phone and you get a notification as it arrives, i will be interested to see how you find it works for you.
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RxistKJ
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Hi all,
New to the E-series forum and am contemplating purchasing either an E61i or E90. I've searched various places and have read conflicting reports on the following question:
Does either the E61i or E90 support the A2DP bluetooth stack? In lamest terms, can I stream music in stereo with bluetooth headphones to either handset?
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fatreg
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^^ Apparently... E90 Yes, E61i No... but a FW update may change that...
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dembala
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On 2007-12-26 22:56:57, Dogmann wrote:
@dembala
I actually can't agree with you viewpoint on this as quite obviously once it has been opened it has been read and as the phone checks the Mail Server it will show as being read. I really don't see how it could possibly be shown as new E-mail or unread as that just can't be possible can it?
With the Seven all ways on E-Mail even it has been read it is still pushed to the phone and you get a notification as it arrives, i will be interested to see how you find it works for you.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-26 21:57 ]
Marc,
Every message on the IMAP server has a status "read" or "unread". This status is linked to the message itself. Whenever the mailbox is checked by any mail client (PC or Phone, or whatever) the status of the messages is communicated to the mail client when the client checks the mailbox.
When a decent mail client checks the mailbox it discoveres new messages, but paralel it evaluates the status properties of the messages and does not alert you by it's default mechanisms if there are only "read" mails. It simply updates it's message database, from that point you can see all the mails, but does NOT warn you about new messages, because there are NO new messages for you for interest.
You don't care about the fact, that the message database of the client you are using is not aware of all messages at the given time when checking the mailbox. You are only interested in the new messages, that you hadn't seen before. Right?
So what I'm telling, is that the mail client of the S60 software does not work like this. It reports every single message with an alert as being a new one (even if the small icon in front of the message shows that it is "read") ! This is awkward, because only "unread" messages should be reported by an alarm (sound, vibra, whatever), since those are the ones that you are interested of !
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