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Sony Ericsson S700 discussion |
swipe108
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I’ve been reading other forums and it always comes up that someone is complaining that the S700 is long when the swivel is open or that it is a swivel. There are also some posts in this thread about the same complaint. So I thought of putting together my guesses as to why the S700 has the form factor it does aside from the Japanese connection.
I believe that SE’s concept of the S700 is a multimedia phone with a digital camera look and feel. Being a multimedia phone, it needed a huge screen. However, the huge screen would push down the keypad in a candybar phone resulting in a longer phone than the S700. A long phone with the keypad showing does conform well with the digital camera look and feel concept. They had to hide the keypad.
So at this point, I was thinking that a clamshell hides the keypad but in order to achieve the camera look it would have to have a pretty good subdisplay. But since this is a multimedia phone, the huge screen inside would already cost a lot and the added cost of a good subdisplay would make the cost of the phone prohibitively high which would alienate the market they were trying to reach. So they compromised by using the swivel form factor. Just one huge screen hidden keypad and overall digital camera look and feel.
Is that a good yarn? What do you guys think?
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ham77
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u have ur point there, but i think they can also consider the slider form factor. i think the slider form would comply to most ppl's complaint about not being able to operate the 'huge' thing with one hand.  personelly, i think the swivel form is stylish and elegent, but the slider form is more practical and simple. them again, i think they (SE engineers) have to compromise with the camera lense placement, since the attachment point of the swivel form is where the lense is. that may be the deciding factor, i guess... |
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swipe108
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But the slider form factor has its weakness: (as in the 7650) when it gets worn out, it tends to slide down on its own when you have it open. A real hassle when your typing text. 7650 also has bad balance when open. I have many friends who've dropped it when opening it. |
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On 2004-06-11 03:43:41, swipe108 wrote:
But the slider form factor has its weakness: (as in the 7650) when it gets worn out, it tends to slide down on its own when you have it open. A real hassle when your typing text. 7650 also has bad balance when open. I have many friends who've dropped it when opening it.
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I thought it was a cool idea to have a some kind of a slider (I had an 8890) and over time, that connection with that slider would get loose, and I eventually had to talk to people with the slider closed (to maintain connection of the mic). Hopefully the S700 is not gonna be plagued with such a problem, and SE probably forsaw it so that's why they incorporated a swivel design. I'm just hoping that the swivel has that reassuring "click" that the Z600 has. |
swipe108
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With the exorbitant prices that retailers are charging for the K700, would anyone hazard a guess as to how much they would be asking for S700? |
etaab
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More than the K700, but less than the price of a P900 (when it was originally released) thats the word from the SE reps at Cebit and other sources. It'll be most likely priced the same as what the Z1010 is now upon its release.
I think in UK the S700 sim-free would retail about £350-£400, on contract, around £150-£300.
After a couple of months the price should drop much more than the P900's original price tag as the S700 isnt a smartphone, and isnt aimed more towards the business end of the market, unlike the P900. So you'd be able to get it free on higher tarrif contracts.
When it eventually appears on PAYG, expect to pay around £250-£300 for it.
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etaab
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Pay As You Go, you pay while you talk and top up your phone when you run out of 'credit'. 
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Leks
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It so loooooong until it release that I´m thinking of buying a Samsung P730 instead...
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jontyf
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It's such a shame that SE aren't going to cut the wait too kill competitors
They are losing out big time
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etaab
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But the phones European OS isnt finished yet, so they cant release it yet. Also, since the K700 has just been released they'd probably conflict with each others sales.
Good things come to those who wait.. and are patient.
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STINGA
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etaab
Do you know inside information on the S700?
If so do you know its status |
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How often do u on average replace your phones?
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etaab
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No i have no insider information, i just research things im interested in.
Back in March, SE said the phones OS was only around 60% complete. However, most sources believe it wasnt even that, as the SE rep seemed pretty misinformed about the S700, chances are the phones OS wasnt even functional since it was actually using the Z1010's firmware. You could also see how rough the design was, lack of branding, poor quality prototype case and lack of markings on the buttons. It also crashed a lot 
Also, its only logical that even if the phone was complete (now) SE would hold it back to allow the K700 to sell enough units before releasing the S700, as they're quite similar in functions.
Another thing to consider is the value of each technological generation. Whilst developing new technology, for example the step up from 4k colour screens to 65k colour screens companies like SE incurr heavy costs which need to be recouped through sales. Before they'll release new technology (1.3mp camera, 262k screens) they need to generate enough revenue from each generation to make developing it worthwhile. This isnt greed, but good business sense. If SE were to release the S700 now, they simply wouldnt recoup the costs of developing phones like the K700 as everyone would upgrade to the newer model. The K700 sales would suffer terribly, and the costs incurred from developing the phone would put a large hole in SE's share value.
Another reason why they wouldnt release it is to allow its competitors time to release their own inferior models. This might seem stupid, but for a company like SE that has the more desirable phones it makes perfect sense. Look at the 7610 compared to the S700, it has a 65k screen compared to the S700's 262k screen. Upon the S700's release more people will want it than they did the 7610 since its more up to date. Because more people will want it, they will also be prepared to pay a higher price for it upon release.
Theres one thing ive always admired about Sony, they know how to be successful in business. They know how to deal with their competitors, they know how to time things perfectly and price them properly. They also know how to keep their customers happy. This is why SE is so popular now, Sony know how to deal with companies like Nokia, they've had 100+ years of experience.
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