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razec
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@Prom1:
That was a pretty long post to read  Actually my eyes are set for the future WM 6.5 and 7. apparently this is the OS i know that can offer everything for users and programmers especially with excellent hardware support from the chipset makers. and i don't think Google will let Android's limitation stay for long. but i doubt if symbian will still maintain its market share before releasing its open source OS as Apple is eating its market share very quickly. Also even if iphone OS lacks the full power of Symbian OS which many have pinpointed as the recipe for failure of the platform, Apple has shown the world that User Experience is a first thing on mobile phones, a powerful platform with a crappy interface is a pain to use anyway (read: S60 5th). I could only wish that the Symbian ^4 will feature the UIQ concept UIs on their showroom site to took make people ditch iphone OS. after using an iphone and iPod touch, i realize why the world is going crazy about the OS platform. Anyway just my personal opinion.
@GUCCI:
iphone was the only 3430 handset that uses SGX535, Satio, OmniaHD and Pre are using 3430 chipsets with SGX530. while Snapdragon 8250's AMD Z430 GPU beats the 530 on both pre and satio, but the SGX535 on iphone proves to be better based on benchmarks. However iphone's GPU severely looses to tegra and the dual core Snapdragon 8672. imagine those great hardwares coming for WM and Android (perhaps for iphone and pre too) which Symbian users can only dream of. I don't even want to mention Freescale's processors with poor GPUs 
Anyway iPhone's SGX 535GPU was used in intel's GMA 500 IGP found on netbooks and old core2duo laptops
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Dups!
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Agree with most of your points, razec. I, too, would have loved that last UIQ UI!
@Prom1
As much as what you point out is valid I feel you are making a mistake of living in the past where Symbian is concerned, much like SE the past couple of years.
As much as they were at the front in the Os (Symbian) the smartphone market was not as intensive as it is now. RIM, Android, Apple (though I struggle with refering to the Iphone as a fully fledged smartphone) are making serious inroads into Symbian. They are busy losing customers while waiting for Symbian^4 and it will continue when you look at what's coming out now.Samsung, SE, HTC and Motorola are all readying Android phones while Symbian is stagnant, let's be honest, people are beginning to realise how pathetic S60 touch is. Imagine seeing an Android device from your friend that is beyond S60 v5 in terms of UI and user experience? The switch will likely be easier since Symbian looks to be on 'coming soon' status.
I also share razec's assertion that Google will not let Android's limitations last long. Personally, I'd love to see what Donut has to offer seeing that that is more than likely what I'll be using next year.
I'm not too perturbed by chipsets as they are also evolving. The Intel-Nokia agreement is a point in case, Nokia is likely to use something interesting and powerful in future. Thus far the Tegra seems a step above the rest.
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@ razec. you can harp on about chipsets all you like mate, but at the end of the day, only the hardcore users actually care about all that stuff..the hd is a superb device, and out of the box, its far more stable than alot of devices. already, there have been 3 firmware updates released..as for 5th edition, i like it, as a first time user, overall. having used windows before, i won't be using it again. nor android..the G1 is enough to make me vomit. awful device. i think people here focus too much on chipsets blah blah, rather than overall functionality. |
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@dups! . I disagree with your 'people are begining to realize how pathetic s60 is' remark.. Not everybody gets a semi everytime some geek refines a ui to wěthin an inch of its life. Can you even justify that stupid remark? I doubt it..thankfully people like you are in the minority on this forum.. |
razec
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On 2009-08-07 12:20:00, jj03 wrote:
@ razec. you can harp on about chipsets all you like mate, but at the end of the day, only the hardcore users actually care about all that stuff..the hd is a superb device, and out of the box, its far more stable than alot of devices. already, there have been 3 firmware updates released..as for 5th edition, i like it, as a first time user, overall. having used windows before, i won't be using it again. nor android..the G1 is enough to make me vomit. awful device. i think people here focus too much on chipsets blah blah, rather than overall functionality.
First of all i respect your opinion. I can see that you love your new phone and its S60 5th OS just as i love Android, WM and Apple OS. but you're pretty wrong with your first sentence, high end chipsets == better games and multimedia(image quality, megapixels, HD video quality) and that complements overall functionality. Game developers can harness the benefits of it by maximizing the quality of their games for as long as the hardware delivers. you think only hardcore users needs those things? then what's the point of having a powerful smartphone that can do it all? and why did you buy a hardcore device like OmniaHD at the first place? I'm not saying that 3430 is a poor chipset but its not the best, admit it, and high end phone users will want more and more power with their gadgets. not just a phone that has a chipset that is not supposed to encode HD video but is being forced by the manufacturer to do so, ending up with quality issues like higher compression or poor audio. I'm pretty sure you'd like your OmniaHD to have the 1Ghz hummingbird CPU that is truly capable of encoding HD video without issues. and I was amused when you said that you won't take android because you don't like G1, as if it's the only android available. Well there were a number of android devices already and soon rachael will join the club. IMO Windows Mobile 6.5 is coming in stores along with the devices and as far as i can see i'm pretty liking the new UI, and couple that with fast, new gen chipsets like Snapdragon and Tegra that will make the User Experience much better.
Guys, sorry for off topic.
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Tsepz_GP
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Prom1
Thanx a lot for the info,very interesting post.
Razec
??? The TI OMAP3430 is able to encode and decode HD though, thats why SAMSUNG were able to improve the sound quality in video recording to AAC format in a firmware update, the reason why they had it as AMR im sure was to reduce memory consumption, cause im sure recording in full HD takes a chunk of memory, especialy if you have just a 8gb or 16gb memory card/mass storage, otherwise the OmniaHD can handle HD just fine. When looking at all these CPUs would you REALY be able to tell whether your phone runs on a TI OMAP3430, Qualcomm Snapdragon OR Hummingbird??? I think it will realy depend on how well the software/OS of the phone is optimized to work with the CPU. Just look at the N97, its realy fast and able to handle multiple tasks plus the widgets without a slowdown yet it runs on a little Freescale cpu at 434MHz. The OmniaHD is more than fast enough at 600MHz, i think they could actualy bring that down to 450MHz and it would still be fast, MAYBE a better GPU would be nice but like i said would you REALY be able to tell eg. If it had the Snapdragon? Symbians dont need such high clockrates, i shake my head when i see 1GHz CPUs on a phone, its simply not necessary,atleast not a Symbian phone,but anyway thats just my opinion.
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On 2009-08-07 23:01:00, jj03 wrote:
@dups! . I disagree with your 'people are begining to realize how pathetic s60 is' remark.. Not everybody gets a semi everytime some geek refines a ui to wěthin an inch of its life. Can you even justify that stupid remark? I doubt it..thankfully people like you are in the minority on this forum..
If I understood what you wrote I would gladly justify my 'stupid' remark!
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dups.. Go ahead and justify your remark..why is it pathetic?. . I'm waiting. |
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Firstly, you need to read posts carefully before jumping on someone's throat!
Secondly, there is nowhere in my post where I wrote S60 was or is pathetic!
Now, if you paid attention you would realise that I wrote 'S60 touch'.
For starters, this is an Os that isn't touch optimized and was largely pushed towards this direction by the likes of Apple. As a touch os it does badly. Then there's the issue of S60 TOUCH being ram intensive.
Both the N97 and 5800 were given a meagre 128MB and that leaves them with less ram after boot- think multitask and speed. Samsung have realized this hence they gave the Omnia HD 256MB of ram.
When you compare S60 TOUCH with the likes of the Iphone, Android and Palm's Os it looses badly. S60 TOUCH was meant to fill the gap before a real touch ui from Symbian comes into effect. Nokia noted that they couldn't compete with S60 as it was that is why they decided on it being open source.
The beauty of a touch interface is its user experience and in that area S60 TOUCH is pathetic. Of course if you haven't tried anything else and stuck with it it is the best there is.
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Dups
I dont know about the about the other points,but S60Touch or S60v5 is not RAM intensive, well it is i guess when compared to S60v3 but still not that bad when compared to others. Both 5800xm and N97 have around 50mb RAM available at boot up and its enough. Speed is no problem either in both, they run very well considering their hardware. I often get to use a 5800xm and an iPhone3G, and i have a very hard time deciding which is better. If the 5800 had a Capacitive screen it would be so much better i must say,but its still very user friendly and easy to get used to. The iPhone on the other hand you can tell was built for touch from the ground-up and just feels very smooth in general,then again Apple have had plenty of time and updates to improve it. What i hate is the "over simplicity" it doesnt make me want to learn more, cause everything is just there, and what i hate in the 5800xm is the idea having to double click in some options/menus,it makes no sense,i hope the OmniaHD is not like that.
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Yes GUCCI, that is what I meant that compared to v3 it is ram intensive.
Damn man! You hate the simplicity of the Iphone? The short time I played on I loved it. I'm actually hoping for more of the same from Android.
But can you imagine how efficient the N97 and 5800 would be with more ram? I'm by no means saying they are slow but could be better.
My point about this whole thing was that S60 touch is a stop gap before Symbian^4 comes and I don't think it does well compare to what's available now.
That's another major reason why I don't even think of Satio as a potential buy.
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Yep, its not that i totaly hate it, but just the fact that everything is there and im not encouraged to go out explore and learn more, also having to always deal with iTunes for me is a pain.
I totaly get what you mean about S60TOUCH. Its definetly not as smooth and fluid as OSX or Android, but its getting there, its definetly Beta stage right now. Yep N97 especialy could have had better hardware, considering its price, the 5800xm is understandable though IMO it was a starting point and had to be cheap as possible to compete. But having NOKIA and others backing up S60 right now im sure it will be good when 5530xm, and Satio arrive. Apple's OSX wasnt so good in the beginning either neither was Android, only now with the Hero and i7500 is it gaining real ground.
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On 2009-08-08 18:04:11, Dups! wrote:
Yes GUCCI, that is what I meant that compared to v3 it is ram intensive.
Damn man! You hate the simplicity of the Iphone? The short time I played on I loved it. I'm actually hoping for more of the same from Android.
But can you imagine how efficient the N97 and 5800 would be with more ram? I'm by no means saying they are slow but could be better.
My point about this whole thing was that S60 touch is a stop gap before Symbian^4 comes and I don't think it does well compare to what's available now.
That's another major reason why I don't even think of Satio as a potential buy.
But S60v5 is upgradable to Symbian^2 and Symbian^4 isn't coming before 2011 at least which mean that all the phone you could buy this year will be totally outdated before...
Edit: No equaliser presets unlike what was shown by se-community's prototype preview bad move from SE not gonna get this one 
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^^Dude, its a freaking smartphone. Just download a bloody player and use it with equalizers. |
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Hmmm... Anybody raised this question regarding whether dust will get into the screen easily??? I hope it does not.. | |
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