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The Danish Mohammad cartoon row - what do you think? |
absinthebri
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On 2006-02-11 04:44:55, axxxr wrote:
Rally against incitement...
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Who has been incited, and by whom?
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axxxr
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If your around london why don't attend the rally and find out for yourself,plenty of muslim scholars will be available to answer all your questions.
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absinthebri
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I was intending to be there until I found out they were protesting against free-speech.
I guess you could stop spamming with posts you won't discuss?
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axxxr
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They are not protesting against your so called free speech...the protest is about limits of free speech.
I'll discuss whats worth discussing otherwise theirs no point.
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absinthebri
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On 2006-02-11 08:26:40, axxxr wrote:
They are not protesting against your so called free speech...the protest is about limits of free speech.
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As soon as it's limited, it's not free.
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I'll discuss whats worth discussing otherwise theirs no point.
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Well, it's your post you won't discuss, so I guess you've made my point for me.
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axxxr
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On 2006-02-11 08:29:24, absinthebri wrote:
As soon as it's limited, it's not free.
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Everything has limits....its the way the world works in case you had'nt noticed....nothing is unlimited and free in this life.
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Well, it's your post you won't discuss, so I guess you've made my point for me.
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I think this topic has been exhausted and everythings been said there is to say...saying anthing further is just repeating ourselves,which we've all done numerous times in this thread.
Unless you can add another perspective i have nothing further to say!
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absinthebri
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On 2006-02-11 08:35:55, axxxr wrote:
Unless you can add another perspective i have nothing further to say!
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Promise?
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On 2006-02-11 08:35:55, axxxr wrote:
Everything has limits....its the way the world works in case you had'nt noticed....nothing is unlimited and free in this life.
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Those sort of limitations are entirely of your own making. You seem to consider generalising and insulting an entire people as being free speech yet when something insults people you empathise with it suddenly isn't.
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absinthebri
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On 2006-02-11 08:58:33, scotsboyuk wrote:
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On 2006-02-11 08:35:55, axxxr wrote:
Everything has limits....its the way the world works in case you had'nt noticed....nothing is unlimited and free in this life.
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Those sort of limitations are entirely of your own making. You seem to consider generalising and insulting an entire people as being free speech yet when something insults people you empathise with it suddenly isn't.
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Indeed.
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axxxr
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On 2006-02-11 08:58:33, scotsboyuk wrote:
Those sort of limitations are entirely of your own making. You seem to consider generalising and insulting an entire people as being free speech yet when something insults people you empathise with it suddenly isn't.
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Really..and how did you reach that assumption?
If your refering to me insulting americans,which you proberbly are i have done so purely on political grounds and i stand by everything i have said about them..I dont attack them on the basis of their religious or any other beliefs nor have i attacked them on the race or ethnic background,so get your facts right..and yes i have the full right and well within the limits to attack them under FREE SPEECH!!
Im not going to rant on about why attacking someones religion is morally wrong but yes basicall yes insulting someones belief goes beyond free speech.
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absinthebri
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On 2006-02-11 09:08:35, axxxr wrote:
Im not going to rant on about why attacking someones religion is morally wrong but yes basicall yes insulting someones belief goes beyond free speech.
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I think attacking someone's religion is morally wrong. I wouldn't do it.
As for "insulting someones belief goes beyond free speech.", I think a belief in the sky being blue is just silly. I guess I've insulted some people's belief. Does that go beyond free speech?
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I think attacking someone's religion is morally wrong. I wouldn't do it.
As for "insulting someones belief goes beyond free speech.", I think a belief in the sky being blue is just silly. I guess I've insulted some people's belief. Does that go beyond free speech?
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On 2006-02-11 08:35:55, axxxr wrote:
Unless you can add another perspective i have nothing further to say!
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scotsboyuk
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Really..and how did you reach that assumption?
If your refering to me insulting americans,which you proberbly are i have done so purely on political grounds and i stand by everything i have said about them..I dont attack them on the basis of their religious or any other beliefs nor have i attacked them on the race or ethnic background,so get your facts right..and yes i have the full right and well within the limits to attack them under FREE SPEECH!!
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First of all it is worth pointing out that you have in the past generalised about Americans and you have also provided misleading information, both of which are traits you ascribe to non-Muslims in this thread and which you have criticised.
Secondly your generalisations concerning Americans are just that, generalisations. You aren't even insulting them because of their politcs because not all Americans share the same political views, yet you have generalised when speaking about America before. Thus one could argue that you have in fact insulted a large proportion of America with no grounds at all.
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Im not going to rant on about why attacking someones religion is morally wrong but yes basicall yes insulting someones belief goes beyond free speech.
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No one is saying that deliberate denigration is acceptable. However, it would be interesting to hear your assessment of what is acceptable with regards to religion.
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axxxr
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On 2006-02-11 09:22:12, scotsboyuk wrote:
First of all it is worth pointing out that you have in the past generalised about Americans and you have also provided misleading information, both of which are traits you ascribe to non-Muslims in this thread and which you have criticised.
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Yes i have generalised about americans and i have over exagerated my views about them but i would'nt say i was misleading..its a matter of opinon...still dont see what this has got to do with attacks on religion?
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On 2006-02-11 09:22:12, scotsboyuk wrote:
Secondly your generalisations concerning Americans are just that, generalisations. You aren't even insulting them because of their politcs because not all Americans share the same political views, yet you have generalised when speaking about America before. Thus one could argue that you have in fact insulted a large proportion of America with no grounds at all.
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I am insulting thing on their polictical stand pointment and foreign policy,me refering to americans is a generalisation about their government and by no means has any intention of attacking the people..you will find even my american esato friends agree with me so i dont know where your coming from?..I have a lot of american friends in london and america who campaign against the current regime thats running the U.S..some of them have even seen my anti-american threads on esato,and we all laughed and joked about it!...so please you dont have grounds for this argument.,
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On 2006-02-11 09:22:12, scotsboyuk wrote:
No one is saying that deliberate denigration is acceptable. However, it would be interesting to hear your assessment of what is acceptable with regards to religion.
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Yes i agree with that no one is saying it is acceptable...but yet some here are saying under the banner of free speech we are entitled to say whatever we wish...My opinion is that blasphemy or to insult any religion is wrong not just Islam..I agree that free and open debate should be allowed to question faiths but but drawing cartoons and hurting the feelings of followers of that faith doesnt get one anywhere...we live in a world with enough problems..nobody needs this!
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absinthebri
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On 2006-02-11 09:38:57, axxxr wrote:
...but yet some here are saying under the banner of free speech we are entitled to say whatever we wish...
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Well, what is free speech if not *precisely* that?
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